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lobbes: Switched to green tea. Was hell the first few days, but now I enjoy the 'subtle yet steadier' energy boost it give me. No more 'caffine crashes'
lobbes: ah I miss the ol' coffee+nicotine combo. Had to ditch the coffee half recently though; stuff doesn't agree with me anymore (and I'm only 29 O.o)
shinohai: I have one of those stovetop percolators for afternoon coffee, too much espresso will keep me awake long into the night.
BingoBoingo: shinohai: Not yet, but the meetings I frequent tend to be the ones with the large coffee urns over mundane 12 cup drip machine.
shinohai: Somehow I imagine BingoBoingo owning one of those coffee urns like they have in funeral homes
asciilifeform: 'hey, i'll be sober in the morning, but you -- will stay ugly' or how it went.
asciilifeform: distort thought, i mean
BingoBoingo: <mod6> she's been mainly 100% delirious. but in a moment of slurred-opiate semi-clarity, she asked me "hows BingoBoingo?" << I am doing well, celebrate 18 months of continuous sobriety later this month.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> i am not proposing an alternative for that function. doctor isn't in the line of proposing replacement for cocaine, and from the "i wanna feel good" perspective the whole pharmacopoea is a waste of space. << This is why CIA popularized freebase salt of cocaine
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> ben_vulpes: i always wished there were such a thing as an ac with a throttle << Not throttle, needs adjustable clutch
danielpbarron: mod6, i think trinque is working on it
shinohai: I'm still hopeful I'll find something that'll run on that Dell I salvaged a few weeks ago.
shinohai: If the shitty, 4 year old hardware I run my node hasn't burnt down the house yet I'm highly optimistic for you mod6 :D
mod6: ben_vulpes: so if i have a `std::map<ktype, std::vector<vtype>> stuffMap`, is it legal to say `stuffMap[k].push_back(newV)` << should be fine as long as newV is of vtype.
mod6: i think the bed alarm threw her into a rage. the thing started going off like a UPS alarm.
mod6: i may write up something on my website, or send something to qntra
mod6: i'd like to audit one of these fgs soon too.
mod6: when i start actually doing somethings, i'll take some pics.
mod6: the chip i've got is a 'xilinx spartan XC3S500E'
mod6: i did get that xilinx platform cable usb deal in the mail too.
mod6: i was thinking about taking my xilinx board and seeing if I can throw your fg-genesis on there.
mircea_popescu: in other news, i deem http://trilema.com/2017/the-lordship-list-fourth-year/ a done deal ; trinque plox to update deedbot to reflect. ☟︎☟︎
asciilifeform: and will give you a little ability to debug (i hesitate to use the word)
asciilifeform: i recommend to study very carefully the diagrams that give examples of what gates particular snippets actually get synthed into, and why
asciilifeform: again i'll reminds, hard part for n00bs is not 'verilog' but rather the basic idea of 'program where all lines execute at once'
mod6: i cut apart 50 .dat files. noodle on that for a minute. and these dickweeds want BIGGER blocks.
shinohai: I need a better SSD, these girls better step up their game.
mircea_popescu: i had one i couldn't touch. hence keep ssds in fanned thing
mod6: i've got mine in a std enclosure and it's got a faned bp. but... if she fries, well, she fries.
asciilifeform: i've yet to meet one that seriously warms
mircea_popescu: ah i dun like ww2 stuff.
asciilifeform: dunno if i recommend.
mircea_popescu: i dun know that one.
asciilifeform: last thing i played was, iirc, 'hearts of iron'. then lent the box to brother , in feb., and hadn't had time to touch it since
mircea_popescu: i dunno how active it is or anything ; but we were pretty rich if memory serves.
asciilifeform: i had it on my list, for what to do with that wintel box
mod6: i've been following along off and on all day.
mircea_popescu: this has been a very informative discussion, i had nfi.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i don't think su ever delivered 1mn of any kind of calculating machine, since we're on it.
mircea_popescu: if pressed i wouldn't even have imagined there were 1mn people who doi things left in the 80s us.
mircea_popescu: i can see why.
mircea_popescu: no i mean, how many copies or units or such
mircea_popescu: how much did it sell ? i'm not really familiar.
asciilifeform: i can easily picture mircea_popescu's excelists tho. the thing does ~not~ behave gracefully at the outer limits of what it does.
mircea_popescu: also, i dunno how relevant but factual in any case : 90% of in-house it support requests from excel users is exactly, "i did thing and it did i dunno what or why halp!1"
asciilifeform: specifically, the 'this produces no meaningful answer and i have nfi why' situation never happens.
mircea_popescu: before coming up with the "Write it down. By hand." i had an excel depacker, which cost me literal man-years to have made and tuned, and which was good but far from perfect.
mircea_popescu: i guess that may be explanatory.
asciilifeform: i'd guess that it happens most to folx who are ~wholly untethered to reality ( financial models, say, of elaborate scamola that sums to 0 at the end of the day, rather than , say, titrations )
mircea_popescu: in my own (limited) experience, every time i found myself consulting for this lot i had them write, by hand, in narrative form, what they thought their excels did.
a111: Logged on 2017-04-10 18:29 phf: ok, i guess we both know what the problem is. my solution is "study db related algorithms until you know enough to write a db", your solution, unless i misunderstand, seems to be "use an existing database a lot". i don't understand how learning, say, postgresql will get you from not knowing anything about db internal design to writing your own
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-10#1641504 << From experience, there's a definite slot for learning filled by sql. i personally show girls how to use a db for their own shit, which may be simply grocery lists ("now tell me how many kgs of pepper we bought by day last year"). truthg be told the path to a structured mind is long and arduous. ☝︎
asciilifeform: i can see a legit pov for the 'no sql' folx. 'you will NOT introduce programmerolade into our process flow, creating work for maggots like yerself and marrying our corp to your lazy and entitled arse' approx. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: hey, i see not the drawback.
lobbes: Now I pour my brain into tmsr, much more rewardinf
lobbes was dismayed when I came in, automated a 40 hr excel proccess down to about 10mins just by using sql (access of all the god awful things) only to be told it was verboten
mircea_popescu: i am not proposing an alternative for that function. doctor isn't in the line of proposing replacement for cocaine, and from the "i wanna feel good" perspective the whole pharmacopoea is a waste of space.
trinque: lobbes: of the NoSQLs of which I'm aware, that's the saddest
a111: Logged on 2017-04-10 23:58 trinque: the accountant fellow I mentioned, for $100mil scale oil contract compliance, also excel macros.
lobbes: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-10#1641735 << place I'm currently contracting at, a big bank in southeast (you can prolly guess), it is literally written in policy:no sql allowed, only excel ☝︎
mircea_popescu: i have no position here, merely observing the history of the thing.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i make most of my money out of being capable to use the tool that's adequate for the job whereas everyone else just goes with the fastest loop.
mircea_popescu: it's their hypercad. "When i was a wee tyke this seemed like srs bzns"
asciilifeform: i found why they liked it. it wasn't even the familiarity (some walked in knowing not even it)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform aha. i expect same reason.
mircea_popescu: "excel i understand" "no you don't" "but i've been using it forever" "not even that."
mircea_popescu: from what i could discern, it's because of familiarity bias.
asciilifeform: trinque: i wonder how much of this is from a cargo-cult preference for 'what programmer monkeys WOULDN'T use'
trinque: the accountant fellow I mentioned, for $100mil scale oil contract compliance, also excel macros. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: i didn't propose they run the hft over excel
mircea_popescu: so, with some regret, i will confess that no, high finance doth not qualify as that place where they have real software (tm).
asciilifeform: now i could easily picture 'crown tax is so high, only imbecile hapsburg can afford it, so no optimize'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: whether or not the 'nanosecs matter and we write it in asm' hft traders are real -- or mythical -- i do not know. but if hft worked the way it is purported to work, they ought to exist.
mircea_popescu: i am aware this sounds incredible. it's factual.
asciilifeform: trinque: i entirely agree re above -- there could be such a thing as 'reusable encyclopaedia of data structures'. problem is, it dun exist yet.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this, i am aware. but i suspect the "concept of db" trinque defends is "here is the set of definitive -- because mature -- things that handle data ; fucking use it".
mircea_popescu: i bet.
ben_vulpes: i'll take ingenues over ingenieurs any day
a111: Logged on 2017-04-10 16:31 Framedragger: ok this is ridiculous, i'm done
a111: Logged on 2017-04-10 16:31 asciilifeform: i have actual work to do, and do not have time to babysit the process all day, every day.
mircea_popescu: i was there in winter, so not much call for anything of the sort.
trinque: 77 out; I was promised warming apocalypse
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform save on electricity through spraying it in finely i think ? not sure, never took one apart.
mircea_popescu: shinohai i'm not even hot, it's pleasant.
mircea_popescu: it rained once while i was there. took 5 minutes, most of the water was gone before touching soil.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i always wished there were such a thing as an ac with a throttle
ben_vulpes: i rather dislike "conditioned" air
asciilifeform: i do know that there are places where the air is hot and ~dry~, and ac has no drain pipe -- but never yet been there.
mircea_popescu: btw -- i have no ac here. the girls are naked indoors. it's fabulous.
mircea_popescu: i never saw unmath this bad aside of us college educated girls.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu described argentines as borderline tards but i don't recall hearing a story like this about them...
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i did same, also not yet returned.
a111: Logged on 2017-04-10 16:07 phf: tmsr work is primarily defined by its voluntary nature, if i had to do things same way i do it at the office i wouldn't bother. ascii doesn't know intricacies of psql from his day job, and i think it's cruel and inhuman to make him study psql ~as part of tmsr work~. it's not the kind of know how you get to learn by sitting down with a cup of tea and a large printout..
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-10#1641366 << lmao i take it this supply of zingers will last a while. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-04-10 15:57 phf: they laughed at me when i said btcbase doesn't use a database, who's laughin now
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-10#1641354 << this is an iffy discussion. trilema does very little backend but more front end. phuctor the reverse. i think they're very complementary wrt the load type. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: was "gauss copula" for a while famously. was a buncha things, i have notes somewhere.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> was 'ito calculus' authored by same 'genius' as 'igonvalue' ? << I see "ito calculus" as catchall for weaponized labels of Usagidiocy type
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i have it running instrumented presently, soon will see why zombies.
BingoBoingo: <lobbes> In unrelated lulz, american consumerism moves ever closer to its apex: http://m.imgur.com/Npg7IWR << I have seen those for sale at my local "Circle K"