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diana_coman: iirc
thick walls also -> cooler;
though
this might make more sense for building rather
than garden
diana_coman: makes some sense: if you want our help
than stick
to our rules; if you follow your rules
than wtf you want from us
Mocky: also
there's
the angle of "good fences make good neighbors". but I'll ask
Mocky: evidently
they no longer care unless you force
them
to care. like having a domestic dispute where police are called while living
together unwed
Mocky: it's not so anymore. now it's more "don't ask dont'
tell",
though unwed sex is still illegal, and some "family" oriented hotels here will ask for marriage cert
Mocky: one
thing i can say is
that in
the past
there were guards hired at many villas
to monitor
the comings and goings. lover cannot be snuck into parents house easily, and expats had same problem here. "cannot bring girlfriend over... guard"
Mocky: no, but I mean
to ask. 100% ubiquitous here
a111: Logged on 2018-10-19 08:21 Mocky: 8 foot walls for
the cheap housing 20 foot for expensive. From what i can
tell ~nobody lives outside of such 'fortress'
Mocky: well i guess more like DC or SF but with ~twice
the popluation
Mocky: can't build a pittsburg out of
the sand in 35 years without grunts
diana_coman: at
the end of
the day it's not exactly qatar's fault
that it's so shitty at home for
those people
that
they'd rather eat
the sand
there
diana_coman: they wouldn't go
there otherwise, would
they
Mocky: actually i'm pretty sure everyone is getting a better deal
than back home come
to
think of it
Mocky: but
the upper class of foreign workers has a better deal
than
they'd get back home. comparable pay, dozen weeks of holiday per year, no
taxes, housing provided
Mocky: engineers,
techies, skilled jobs who are indian, malay etc.
diana_coman: ah well, if not a camel,
then can't camel I suppose
Mocky: but also includes memebers of
the next class up who are of
the wrong race
Mocky: this class works 12 hour days, or shift work and still has no money left over
to actually do anything in
thier free
time
Mocky: haha no,
they can get license but not escape
their 'station'
diana_coman: wait what, drivers aren't permitted
to get a drivers' license?
Mocky: but also drivers are in
that class, lol
Mocky: ftr:
the bottom class is outside laborers, housed in barracks,
transported by busses
Mocky: not sure yet what
the cost, or
thier criteria
Mocky: one of
them claims on
their website
that certain IT and consulting busniesses don't require a local sponsor. if
they actually have experience with
these
things I expect it
to be helpful
diana_coman: my limited experience with a business incubator in south
tyrol was
that
there were also people from local businesses + local government, but I have no idea
to what extent
this experience means anything for qatar-incubator
Mocky: i'm about
to implement plan b, and
talk
to
the local companies
that advertise
to help you get your business started and help find you a sponsor
Mocky: no sure who shows up, probably mandatory for
those in-program
diana_coman: failing
that, I guess 20 somethings partying at least have a local father, for whatever good
that might be
☟︎ diana_coman: ah, pitty; well, hopefully
they have more
than 1 / year, lol
Mocky: they did have an event
the day i arrived, but i missed it. no more events on
the near calendar
diana_coman: and at
those workshops
the audience is only incubator-fellows or what?
diana_coman: the point being
to my mind
to perhaps meet *there* some people worth meeting, not as much joining
the
track per se
☟︎ diana_coman: hm, but no way
to even attend one of
the events i.e. as visitor?
Mocky: ie year one do
this, year 2 do
this...
☟︎ Mocky: you have
to get approved, but
there's no one actually at
the place
to approve you, only desk minders. and if approved you have
to join
the sv
track
Mocky: no
they have events and even people
there, but i can't get in, lol
diana_coman: I'd naively expect
there would be at least some sort of link possible at
the incubator; no events either?
Mocky: so
the startup incubator is not at all like what i expected
Mocky: but
there's exactly no one here who would use a coworks. you either came here for a job, or your dad can get you a job
☟︎ diana_coman: oh huh, and no work at
the startup incubator?
Mocky: i went
to both coworks. well, "coworks" one is 15th floor of a bank highrise
that was empty and expensive.
the other is
trying
to be a startup incubator run by
the ministry of communications
diana_coman: I must say I don't really have any concrete idea unfortunately re how
to go about
to find an entrance
to qatari wot
Mocky: well not so 'guilded' for
the bottom
two classes, but at least
they can leave now if
they want
☟︎ Mocky: but Qataris don't mix with
the help, except
the partying 20 somethings
that don't want
to work (reportedly) and
they don't seem
to be in
their parents wot
☟︎ diana_coman: are
they all employed
there? or
tourists or what?
Mocky: week
two has been wheel spinning so far like most of week 1. I've had in person conversations with 30+ people in
the last week about business and finding a local business sponsor. None of
these people are locals, none of
them knows a local in business, or even an expat in business, or had any idea what
they would do if needed
to find.
☟︎ diana_coman: well yes, but
that's basically adding concrete/brick
to
the mix; soil is still what it is
Mocky: some massive constructions sites with
thousands of laborers
Mocky: actually
the only sand is at construction sites. of which
there are many. in
the city
that is. nicely paved streets with nice looking brick sidewalks ~everywhere
diana_coman: ah, makes some sense;
though I gather it's basically living among
the malls and sand but I suppose
that's what it is
Mocky: so not at
the edge of
the city only, but almost everywhere
Mocky: for example,
there are 12 malls in Doha. if you stood on
top of one, could see others.
☟︎ Mocky: the downtown area wraps
the bay and is maybe 10 blocks deep. I guess you could call
this 'a ring'.
the rest of
the city is basically concentric circles of rings b - f (actual street names) between which are neighborhoods of predominantly residential villas but with huge retail areas interspersed.
diana_coman: how's
the "qatar week 2" coming along, Mocky ?
diana_coman: are all houses at
the edge of
the city or where? not
that I'm even sure I see a difference if ~all desert anyway
Mocky: if
they built like
this in florida, hurricane season would be quite different. but
then yeah hardly anyone would be able
to afford
to live
there.
Mocky: not really right
to call it 'burbs, it's still in
the city just not downtown. Villa is also often commercially, dr office, restaurant, shops: just with extra windows and signage
Mocky: one result is
that
there isn't a single unsightly yard anywhere, from external pov. from inside pov, it seems like most have a junk pile
their back 'yard'
Mocky: in
the 'burbs
there are sort of
ticky
tack housing communities where a couple dozen villas will share one big wall, with guard on duty at
the gate.
☟︎ Mocky: 8 foot walls for
the cheap housing 20 foot for expensive. From what i can
tell ~nobody lives outside of such 'fortress'
☟︎ Mocky: and no houses. commercial buildings and villas. every villa at least 3 stories, flat
top, fully wrapped in concrete wall at least 8 feet high, with iron gate for car and iron door
a111: Logged on 2018-10-19 02:17 BingoBoingo: I have
to say from Mocky's pics of Qatar so far I am impressed by
the manner in which
they manage
to hide
the electric wires. Down here
they just... can't
mircea_popescu: "this is how we're going
to
try and
talk around
the fact our favourite catamite fucked up yet another province" ?
a111: Logged on 2018-10-19 02:21 asciilifeform: (
they ~could~ ! recall,
they use flexible hose nao,
to pinch pennies )
a111: Logged on 2018-10-18 16:52 BingoBoingo: Verdict is
tonsilitis
BingoBoingo: I don't recall if you saw any active sparkers during your
trip here.
BingoBoingo: I mean
the whole run of
the bundle is centimeters from
the face of every building for
the entire block's run
BingoBoingo: Oh no, I am
talking about
the runs where
the wires are centimeters from exterior wall of occupied structure.
They don't fall until
they've completely finished cooking
BingoBoingo: I'm not sure I
trust
the Uruguayos
to completely hide
the wires considering how many lines have left scorch marks along
their runs
BingoBoingo: I have
to say from Mocky's pics of Qatar so far I am impressed by
the manner in which
they manage
to hide
the electric wires. Down here
they just... can't
☟︎