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asciilifeform: incidentally, very few products have a monopoly as total as that of 'ida.'
Mats_cd03: mostly average overall but decompilation of asm to c is pretty good
asciilifeform: Mats_cd03: 'ida hexray' is the only one i've ever seen that was actually usable for anything practical.
kakobrekla: im terminating this conversation now
kakobrekla: prolly same as the mod :)
asciilifeform: (of actual doing, that is)
asciilifeform: takes ~1/2 hr. total.
kakobrekla: and cleaning is time is money again.
kakobrekla: so you will spend time arguing.
kakobrekla: nevertheless people will resist using these.
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: they're still dirt cheap on 'ebay', etc. if you're willing to clean an ancient one.
kakobrekla: well if you count that, depends on the neighbor count
asciilifeform: well - cheaper if your time has value.
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: cheaper to buy the neighbours their own 'model m' each
kakobrekla: the way to do is - insert the very thick dental floss (oral b super floss) inside the springs, between 50 and 100% of the height
BigBitz: relating to VM obfuscating :)
kakobrekla: btw mike there is a mod where you can make the model m office safe in terms of noise and the feedback is only slightly affected
asciilifeform: mike_c: 'ibm model m' is indestructible, short of power tools
mike_c: keyboards should be able to take a good beating. otherwise they are by (my) definition not fit for professionals.
BingoBoingo: Maybe you should give up and start keyboarding with your toes
Mats_cd03: i tried to teach dragon programming in c
Mats_cd03: its been milder recently, ive been typing a lot less (which means no coding unfortunately for benkay)
BingoBoingo: Mats_cd03: How is that going? Find anything that offers more relief yet?
Mats_cd03: although im going to avoid dc at all costs
Mats_cd03: when my carpal tunnel gets better id like to do it full time
asciilifeform deals with this crud for a living
Mats_cd03: 'in the most amateur sense of 'fucking it up''
Mats_cd03: you can do things like look for the VM license. lol.
Mats_cd03: and the use-case for that sort of thing is limited anyway
Mats_cd03: most crapware authors simply fuck it up when they try to implement the obfuscation
asciilifeform: many people write, e.g. a 'mips' (or other small instruction set) emulator and cross-compile for it. when you get hold of one of these, you can just extract the turd and disassemble using toolset for that cpu.
Mats_cd03: as i understand it, vm-based packers are really hard to use properly
Mats_cd03: also read this today http://www.hexeffect.com/virtual_deob.html discusses VM-based packers
Mats_cd03: sorry... i meant to say it is deterministically broken. the subterfuge is non-deterministic
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Mats_cd03: cant protect any x64 browsers...qa didnt even test it
Mats_cd03: SetThreadContext is non-deterministically broken from XP x64 SP0 to Server 2008 R1 x64 SP2
Mats_cd03: i learned today you can sabotage EMET
Mats_cd03: borked english. i found out today someone i used to play starcraft with, patented ASLR
Mats_cd03: i found out today someone i used to play starcraft with patented ASLR
Mats_cd03: (the usb stick team, anyway)
asciilifeform: Mats_cd03: not quite dead. just had to drive home.
Mats_cd03: alf bout to die
Mats_cd03: oh man that conversation about the usb stick is hilarious
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BingoBoingo: So over a sample size of 2, drunk is less memory bad than stoned
Mats_cd03: skype enables tracking by entities other than nsa
Mats_cd03: no but seriously read the paper
benkay: don't hate the player
mike_c: didn't you lose the one because you were stoned?
Mats_cd03: i think i can though, just gonna put it through an alcohol bath (i spilled water on it)
benkay: do that immediately!
Mats_cd03: i can ddrescue the drive if i cant fix the machine
BingoBoingo: Printers are the worst.
pankkake: also, trusting your printer
pankkake: Bitaddress, trusting some random js prng?
benkay: <Rassah> who won't be bothered to create a Tails linux distro on a USB, generate addresses on them using Bitaddress or something, printing to a USB connected priner, and wiping the printer // this is what one calls a "strawman" argument. as a person nominally involved in "public relations" you should never commit such derpitude in public.
BingoBoingo: Maybe there needs to be a backup instance of assbot named buttsett
benkay: <asciilifeform> Rassah: I think << you are not the designer of this item ? // hee hee hee hee i'll just pop this corn
benkay: <Rassah> so tech knowledge enough to be able to check how the software works, and maybe hardware knowledge to know what chips are being used in the schematic // well if its chips and an rng, asciilifeform's likely to tell you that unless you can inspect the chips (which you can't), you can't make claims about the RNG.
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mircea_popescu: FabianB hopefilly more than that, since it'll cost more than 6 bux i imagine
FabianB: Rassah: so it's mainly for the masses who want to store 0.01 btc on a paperwallet
BingoBoingo: Nah, we'll just let people hash their privates...
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo what, you kidding ? just pour the caulk in a shape. cheapest shit ever.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: That's a shortcut for the consumer. It's the opposite of a shortcut to produce. Doing the minimum is the right way to produce. Never mind we won't polish the burrs off the edges either.
Rassah: I seriously hate this keyboard btw... It's a very old microsoft touch-type wireless ergonomic, and it misses the keys around the G and H constantly. But I'm too cheap of a bastard to get a better one. So, please ignore my typos, and don't let them reflect on my grammar skills (I took Latin, damnit!)
mircea_popescu: you drink the booze and then fuck the "bottle"
Rassah: BingoBoingo: IF it's an uncut dick, that should work fine, but you'll have stiff competition from already existing holes, like couch cussons for instance
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: No, I'm just cutting the pipe and selling it. A dick fits, what is this thing where a dick needs to do more than fit in something to fuck it. I'm just taking a shortcut.
Rassah: This ting is made for people who are not techy (most of not bitcoiners) who won't be bothered to create a Tails linux distro on a USB, generate addresses on them using Bitaddress or something, printing to a USB connected priner, and wiping the printer. I think this device, where you plug t into your printer and hit print, will make bitcoin a hell of a lot easier to secure for the masses. And it costs a fracton of what the other
mircea_popescu: isn't this fleshlight in nucet ?
BingoBoingo: If fucking is just about sticking your dick in a hole that accomodates it, I'm just going to get some pipe from the hardware store, saw it into dick length pieces, and sell them pocket pussies. What could go wrong???
asciilifeform: Rassah: i have a perfectly adequate source of physical entropy. actually a small crate of them at this point.
Rassah: Or do you think that Bitcoin is not secure, because the bitcoin address is hashed from the private key?
Rassah: asciilifeform: I use "hash" interchangeably with "compute with one of the inputs for the formula being your source of entropy, and the output being your private key
mircea_popescu: dub is the page empty or just too jscripty for me ?
Rassah: asciilifeform: I take it you're one of those who thinks the only way to create a paper wallet is to buy a used $100 laptop, use diceware with at least 20 words, use the laptop to hash that into your private key and address, write it down by hand on paper using a hard glass surface, and then burn the laptop?
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asciilifeform: actually i must admit that i am looking forward to these machines being produced, shipping, selling widely. because apparently there is only one way to educate people - let them piss on electric fence in person.
Rassah: generic hardware is easy to reproduce
dub: how did assets miss this?
Rassah: And yes, if the software and hardware is completely open source and public, why wouldn't someone want to sell cheaper knockoffs? We hope we can still sell outs at a premium, due to our reputaton and such, but...
asciilifeform: Rassah: what do miners have to do with it ?
Rassah: asciilifeform: Have you seen the chinese bitcoin mining market?
asciilifeform: Rassah: wait. you expect that your target market consists of people who would even contemplate buying a knockoff ?!!
mircea_popescu: at least the fact that it's been worked on since sept makes me feel a lot better.
mircea_popescu: you know, i had told you this won't work about an hour ago.
Rassah: asciilifeform: "He's wasting your time, that's obvious now." <<- not official statement
Rassah: asciilifeform: You will be informed when our sources are released and you are invited to give his opiniion then <<-- Apparently my official statement
asciilifeform: there is some typical 'confusion between the warm and the soft' here. the only bits that matter are entirely independent (in the statistical sense) ones.
Rassah: Different guy who does the software commenting about the software side of it? I have no idea
mircea_popescu: bruteforcing Ends at > 50 bits for most algos. some primitive ones can be done up to 70 bits << wtf nonsense is this ?
asciilifeform: Rassah: there are not 8000 uncorrelated bits in there.
Rassah: Nikita: Total size 32 kBytes, we use about 21 kB as entropy source.
Rassah: From another ech working on this: bruteforcing Ends at > 50 bits for most algos. some primitive ones can be done up to 70 bits