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assbot: In re “Philosophy : Freedom of scientific information” pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
decimation: http://trilema.com/2012/in-re-philosophy-freedom-of-scientific-information/#footnote_0_44044 "You probably know of it through the ulterior, bastardized, middle-class morality of ?no politics at the dinner table?. In practice, people were gathered around the table because they had business together, and the bourgeois do not wish to have higher considerations possibly interfere with their stuffing of the gullet, so they adapted an old
decimation: "they are not free" << I mean that they lack the will to do otherwise, making their "rights" and "freedoms" as useful as toliet graffiti
decimation: even if they are technically free to do otherwise, they are not free.
asciilifeform: the idiots want to 'matter.' the gulag will be forthcoming. no one needs to ask for it.
asciilifeform: 'I don’t have to write that I want millions of chickens to be brutally murdered. I can buy all the dead chickens I want at the grocery. When advocating a policy that requires violence for its implementation, it is rarely necessary to advocate the violence. Once people agree to implement the policy, the necessary violence will be forthcoming.'
asciilifeform: since mp seems to be on a bit of a dan mocsny kick, let's channel herr mocsny:
decimation: according to mircea's theory, the us voter want to emulate their soviet brothers - turn themselves into the third world gulag so that they can be a somebody
decimation: there were plenty of the early ones who cashed in on bezzle money - real estate prices are not cheap around bellingham
asciilifeform: i for one don't give even a basic fuck whether microshit employees can live in mansions - or in specially-constructed oubliettes with a terminal in the lid and a hole for shit in the bottom.
decimation: but this is a case of the deer kneeling in front of the hunter
decimation: one would think that the voters would be against the dilution of their own power
asciilifeform: the real estate mafia would dearly love such a ban - but even they cannot make it happen.
asciilifeform: decimation: if you think a senator - or entire senate - can ban the use of coolies - i've a bridge to sell.
decimation: yeah that's the underlying driver. bezzle -> real estate values -> suddenly life is unaffordable for the peasants
decimation: the irony being that the very many who can make such policy (a senator) is whining about what bill gates says in the newspaper
asciilifeform: decimation: why should microshit (or anybody else) subsidize the real estate racket?
decimation: indeed. and the question of banning the import of said coolies is off the table of course
asciilifeform: decimation: if the indians graduating from u.s. schools agreed to live 10 to a room in a dormitory, instead of 250k/yr in chumper town (see http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-04-2014#606968) they might get hired in place of the imported coolies. ☝︎
decimation: that is not what the news was, unfortunately. Not at all."
decimation: But the senator's attack on "three of our greatest masters of the universe," and "super billionaires," was clearly primed by Microsoft's announcement, also on Thursday, that it was laying off18,000 employees. "What did we see in the newspaper today?" said Sessions, "News from Microsoft. Was it that they are having to raise wages to try to get enough good, quality engineers to do the work? Are they expanding or are they hiring? No,
decimation: how relevant the senate is: http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9249837/U.S._Senator_blasts_Microsoft_s_H_1B_push_as_it_lays_off_18_000_workers
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: Theodore Y. Ts'o doesn't comprehend what random means << 'random' is simply a non-scientific qualifier. like 'big'.
asciilifeform: well, not mine. belonged to usa.
asciilifeform: hanbot: about the size of a compact car.
asciilifeform: hanbot: naturally depends on the size and quantity of objects being moved.
hanbot: well exactly. something bound by accidental inhalation on the lower end and hernias on the higher
kakobrekla: back then*
kakobrekla: iirc i paid about 5k back them for my stuff.
asciilifeform: cheap. but it has to stand somewhere. and be moved there.
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: the funny part is, surplus lab robots (like the one i used to program) can be had for < $1k. but they're gigantic.
kakobrekla: 0.1 is not much to ask as far as i know.
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: just need to move a steel tube around inside a 50cm cube to 0.1mm.
kakobrekla: years ago though.
kakobrekla: at least that was the estimate that a company here gave me.
kakobrekla: something like what im building should be 15-25k - this is custom made.
asciilifeform: afaik, this is not available as a standalone product anywhere.
kakobrekla: well im getting mixed readings here - the offer in otc was 2btc? which is 1k or something?
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: off-the-shelf variant of the whole shebang is 50k or so.
kakobrekla: impatient. < off the shelf thing is your best bet then.
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: sure. i could have parts machined. but, on top of being a miser, i'm rather impatient.
kakobrekla: asciilifeform having one thing machined once is not same as having the machine at home
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: why would i wish for the gadget if i had a machining setup. (could then make one just like it.)
asciilifeform: hanbot: the american roland freisler
assbot: Log In - The New York Times
benkay: <mircea_popescu> for a coupla hours there it looked like the whole damned charade'll have to be taken down and redone. // mpex?
mircea_popescu: in which we find Theodore Y. Ts'o doesn't comprehend what random means.
mircea_popescu: *look* random, even though the source material is anything but random."
mircea_popescu: "As an example, the following string of numbers is anything but random:1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 However, if this is run through a MD5 or SHA whitener, the result would
mircea_popescu: for a coupla hours there it looked like the whole damned charade'll have to be taken down and redone.
assbot: Bug 659512 – no chance to enter a password during key generation in command-line mode
mircea_popescu: for anyone looking to get a taste of obscure bug parade : https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=659512
mircea_popescu: good practice to voice/help new people anyway.
mircea_popescu: Namworld yeah but take the recent camho invasion for instance.
Namworld: I have those turned off in my client since last year. I don't see those anymore. Was quite annoying and barely helpful.
mircea_popescu: hopefully that'll cut donw on the join/part spam.
empyex: FabianB: Proxies: ".. running a final swathe of test-all-the-edge-cases .. mpex should be back this weekend. also fabian is pretty cool." MPEx-Status: Error reaching trade engine (change: $proxies <newlist>)
mircea_popescu: inb4 benkay exiled to canuckistan.
benkay: i discovered at the border that my passport is expired. canadian borderfolk dgaf, but i'm *really* anticipating hitting US customs now.
benkay: oh so this is going to be entertaining
mircea_popescu: now that's what i'm talking about.
mircea_popescu: 64 bytes from [x.x.x.x]: icmp_seq=1 ttl=64 time=1.47 ms
jurov: or phone poor moiety and dictate signed order to her xD
mircea_popescu: i'd rather make it so it works than you know, make it so it phones.
jurov: but not sure if there's room for this scenario if mpex's completely ddos proof now..
jurov: and mpex users would be asked not to disclose the number
jurov: mircea_popescu: i meant for you to have actual modem onsite, to be able to reach mpex even if there's internet problem
benkay: you're already known as the btc baron?
mircea_popescu: <benkay> <thickasthieves> some kinda wtf WoTcoin http://www.wired.com/2014/07/document-coin/ // it's quite clear everyone'll eventually have their own coin. << truth. whore stopped me in the street last night, "gringo how do i get my own coin ?"
benkay: i just found a beer bottle with a threaded neck onto which a cap had been crimped to not un-thread. i did not know that this was possible!
kakobrekla: now if youd be in eu, id grab all the parts and come with them to put it together - not even selling - would lend it for free.
kakobrekla: >prolly better off getting alu machined locally.< i mean all the profiles.
kakobrekla: and get the rest of the parts from uk/china. whichever you prefer. its same stuff.
kakobrekla: other thing is, Z axis, while I have the parts, two alu blocks would still need to be machined - if you have access to machining you are prolly better off getting alu machined locally.
kakobrekla: asciilifeform possibly, but i suspect it still a fortune to ship since im not in china or uk. two more issues, as i said, its not assembled atm and would need to be before its shipped overseas, to see whats what. this takes time.
benkay: reputation and behavior are incredibly important because you can rewrite the blockchain basically at will, unless you do something with a merged-mine approach (but i don't know enough about mm to comment really)
benkay: no mining per se, because that's a feature of btc, you know?
benkay: -> magic bytes in protocol, to separate networks
benkay: <thickasthieves> some kinda wtf WoTcoin http://www.wired.com/2014/07/document-coin/ // it's quite clear everyone'll eventually have their own coin.
asciilifeform does not know the genuine figure, and doubts that anyone else does
mircea_popescu: "Black men who are employed also get the shaft by having an average life expectancy of 64 years, which means on average they don't live long enough to see any of their social security tax payments, given that the retirement age is 65 years."
mircea_popescu: they knew-or-should-have-known (tm) that people are sending dope through the mail and stopped offerind mail services!
mircea_popescu: benkay no they are criminalz.
benkay: "We are a transportation company—we are not law enforcement," Mr. Fitzgerald added. // http://online.wsj.com/articles/fedex-indicted-for-role-in-distributing-controlled-substances-prescription-drugs-1405637242
herbijudlestoids: anyway, 3am here, just wanted to login and check on yall after i noticed mpex was down. lots of love.
herbijudlestoids: things have been going well on my end, after the first big customer hit we have had a bit of a flood of them, and our accountant has even managed to score us significant tax breaks around R&D for the last FY
herbijudlestoids: but i guess mircea_popescu knows whats what when it comes to building the system he designed
herbijudlestoids: yes, admit i was a little surprised about the downtime thing upon visiting trilema
thickasthieves: other than mpex
thickasthieves: everyone's keeping busy, slow this morning though
herbijudlestoids: went to poke mpex, looks like a lot has been going on
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thickasthieves: “The US is certainly one of the world’s leaders. At some point it seemed that it was the only leader and a uni-polar system was in place. Today it appears that is not the case. Everything in the world is interdependent and once you try to punish someone, in the end you will cut off your nose to spite your face" ~ Putin
punkman: mircea_popescu: anyone can connect to a website on dial-up as it is. << I think he meant having his modem dial a telephone number for mpex
mircea_popescu: jurov i don't get what it'd be supposed to do tho. you mean dial-up access only ? anyone can connect to a website on dial-up as it is.
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: it could travel in a crate, no ?
assbot: Peeling the onion: Almost everyone involved in developing Tor was (or is) funded by the US government | PandoDaily
pankkake: ;;later tell Duffer1 http://fs65.trilulilu.ro/imgs/BesTiuTzu/cea-mai-tare-unitate_3aa1759f9e8c56.jpg
kakobrekla: <asciilifeform> unrelated - is kakobrekla awake? i wish to buy his gadget. < moving to eu already?