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asciilifeform: likewise - perhaps there is no need to point this out, but the linux/bsd kernel is also not a scientific instrument. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo what, and pass the chance to scramble madly for a week ?
BingoBoingo: Prolly ought to start ordering Rhubidium clocks for next downtime
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: handily inside thermal drift range then.
asciilifeform: incidentally, quartz oscillators generally don't come in the GHz range. there's a fairly modest (<100MHz) crystal and a PLL multiplier. which compounds any error...
mircea_popescu: dub these are draftees lol.
dub: 99% of people who sell themselves as experts at this are probably trying to use 'ping'
asciilifeform: unless the magnitude of the skew is more than 10 msec or so
dub: you're missing the point, make your dudes prove the test suite
mircea_popescu: anyway, now it's slower in the other direction.
mircea_popescu: it limits a lot of things ;/
asciilifeform: japan taught sr to engineers. america - no.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: actually i first learned of this when studying the demise of american tv makers.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i recall reading about that, why teh russians couldn't make good crts. quantum effects.
BingoBoingo: I've long imagined a wrist portable watch with RTG (RTG also heats crystal) I'm resigned to knowing such a device probably wouldn't have the power to offer man readable time without an unacceptable risk of wrist cancer
nubbins`: *is closer than bc
nubbins`: threads mean you can twist 'em off, doesn't it?
dub: had an identical problem brought to me after months of hand wringing by systems teams, 30 minutes later they had data to smack vendor with who later admitted to hidden NIC revisions and supplied new driver
asciilifeform: nubbins`: try example 'closer to home,' even. last generation of CRT displays had to include sr correction (short tube, less glass, but higher gun voltage - fast electrons.)
nubbins`: england is closer to bc, but i uh
benkay: hey nubbins` what's with these threaded beers you can't twist the tops off of in bc?
dub: these problems almost always compounded by failure closer to the chair
asciilifeform: if you need serious (accurate and precise) timing, must use an instrument built for that purpose.
asciilifeform: back to clocks: it is grave mistake to regard a pc clock as a scientific instrument. you can get pretty good thermal stability out of a quartz resonator, using an 'oven' (more or less just like kitchen oven, in miniature - maintain controlled temperature.) but this is never found in a consumer appliance.
BingoBoingo: I didn't know it was /this/ bad. I almost would rather believe this is for people building plasma rifles on the down low.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: there is an entire 'culture' of audio voodoo.
BingoBoingo: I kind of wonder what the ruse it, seems like an overly strong emphasis on CD player much as the headshops emphasize their glass pipes are for tobacco
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the inescapable question, is, as before, what one must smoke.
asciilifeform: and here i thought the magic green marker was state of the art.
asciilifeform: 'put the rubidium oscillator's sine output into the cd player... it will enhance the sound quality greatly.'
benkay: <mircea_popescu> how about the entire fucking ocean floor is a mesh network of bacteria guys // okay
BingoBoingo: http://bazalt.ru/en/nonlethal_weapons/ << Today, lethality weapons include weapons which lethality rate does not exceed 25 per cent.
asciilifeform: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Supper-Low-JITTER-Clock-11-2896Mhz-Rubidium-Frequency-/180497234806 << mega-lol re: who it is pitched to!
dub: mircea_popescu: back to your wire, validate your instrumentation first.
asciilifeform: rubidium clock << about 200 usd on 'ebay' and the like. who wants, can buy.
BingoBoingo: This Dontesk Republic is basically just like a standard Hollywood sequel to Transndstria i.e. moar explosions
mircea_popescu: bazalt.ru << click on this, get added to some list or teh other.
mircea_popescu: BORODAI, Aleksandr (a.k.a. BORODAI, Alexander); DOB 25 Jul 1972; nationality Russia (individual) [UKRAINE]. <<< aww, no prime minister of donetsk republic ? tsk tsk
assbot: Drug-resistant bacteria: Sewage-treatment plants described as giant 'mixing vessels' after scientists discover mutated microbes in British river - Environment - The Independent
mircea_popescu: lmao. so let me get this straight, if putin v2.0 decides to visit the us, they'll know ?
mircea_popescu: In addition, the following individuals have been added to OFAC's SDN List: BESEDA, Sergey
BingoBoingo: It happens because the idiots buying miners are the same idiots who ever bought miners
mircea_popescu: when did that happen.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there was some design to make them stable-er than cesium and get rid of the cs standard entirely.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: no idea about 'super', but these are ubiquitous in the radio industry.
assbot: Turning a rubidium standard into a proper tool
mircea_popescu: btw, did they ever make that rubidium superclock thing ?
BigBitz: many times.
gribble: Rubidium standard - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rubidium_standard>; Atomic clock - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_clock>; Accubeat - Technology - Rubidium Atomic Clock Technology: <http://www.accubeat.com/apage/17540.php>
asciilifeform: unlike cesium clocks, these are inexpensive - radio stations in the civilized works are required to use them.
asciilifeform: a traditional pc comes with at least 2 measurable oscillators (cpu crystal and 18hz real time clock)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this is actually a traditional means of generating 'hardware entropy' on a pc. i rediscovered it as a kid, thought i 'had something nice'
asciilifeform: they have some - limited - thermal compensation.
mircea_popescu: it's equalizing over time. hey asciilifeform ! i just got some entropy!
asciilifeform: typical quartz oscillators are rated to 2%
mircea_popescu: no two clocks work the same huh.
BigBitz: silicon/ASICs have a tendncy to be better than 'shit;
BigBitz: clocks have a tendancy to be 'shit'
mircea_popescu: why one or not the other.
BigBitz: or it would be your machine badly timing the latency.
BigBitz: could just be the ASIC on the Switchports.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: describe briefly the geometry of the wire.
mircea_popescu: same exact model netcards. same firmware on the netcards.
mircea_popescu: dub same shit tho.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform consider how eminently used e coli are in the intestines of every mammal.
asciilifeform: the problem, in case anyone doesn't know, is presently dealt with through luck and brute force.
mircea_popescu: "the point about women not wanting to be used can only be appreciated by rapists". DOING IT WRONG
asciilifeform: short version - bacterium isn't a sled dog. he won't work if he doesn't 'want' to. (expressed in actual flesh as the formulation: the ones without the 'work' trait - e.g. secreting dope - tend to outperform their 'useful' peers in reproduction)
asciilifeform: the point about 'liveware generally doesn't wanna be used' can only be appreciated by folks who tried to breed industrially useful bacteria (e.g. e. coli secreting a saleable substance) - and the problems in that business
mircea_popescu: can anyone explain to me why would latency be ever so slightly more going one way through a wire than coming the oher way ? same identical endpoints.
asciilifeform: afaik he was flaming the hippies
mircea_popescu: anyway. someone "like us" as the author fills that symbol does not belong above ground anyway.
mircea_popescu: i dunno asciilifeform, i hear a lot of "please use me hard master" from some of the higher order "nature's computers".
asciilifeform: motorcycle is considerably less efficient, thermodynamically, than horse - but more popular for, imho, good reason...
asciilifeform: used. Machines aren't supposed to be like that. Machines are supposed to do what you want. Which means that both the designer and the user need to control them.' (one mr. kreinin, with whom i have a number of disagreements, some public, but good point about meatware. -- http://yosefk.com/blog/high-level-cpu-follow-up.html)
asciilifeform: 'I want to build machines to do stuff that someone "like us" wouldn't want to do, for any of the several reasons (the job is hard/boring/stinky/whatever). And once I've built them, I want people to be able to use them. Please note this last point. People and other "nature's computers", like animals and fungi, aren't supposed to be "used". In fact, all those systems spend a huge amount of resources to avoid being
BingoBoingo: Site isa javascript turd
mircea_popescu: for all of 2011-2013 i've been strictly ignoring alts, and look at all the time it's saved me!
mircea_popescu: and yeah, you can destroy them.
mircea_popescu: how about the entire fucking ocean floor is a mesh network of bacteria guys
mircea_popescu: decimation the better application seems self-building, self repairing connectivity.
decimation: if only you could harness bacteria to grow onto circuit-board test points...
assbot: Map of coins: the history of cryptocurrencies from bitcoin to dogecoin and more
mircea_popescu: "For instance, hundreds of thousands of bacteria can form daisy-chained "wires" an inch or so long, and tap seawater oxygen for energy. Such filaments can hold soil together and conduct electricity about as well as standard copper wire." << wow.
assbot: Map of coins: the history of cryptocurrencies from bitcoin to dogecoin and more
mircea_popescu: major reference article, that.
mircea_popescu: actually this may be a good thing to do for a blogger : make the altcoin history chart.
BingoBoingo: If I remember right CoiledCoin was the one Luke killed
BingoBoingo: In between namecoin and the Scrypt pre-mined anscestors of LTC there were a lot of other forgettable alts, many mergemined.
pankkake: fairbrix tenebrix whatever
pankkake: namecoin was there before, and litecoin isn't the first scyrpt before
mircea_popescu: pankkake we're not going to go into solidcoin and all that ?
pankkake: don't listen to litecoiners history rewriting
mircea_popescu: dub no, just because people are a) poor and b) cluieless, in that order
dub: I dont think it was
dub: well yeah, because teh sha ones have been eliminated (see above)
asciilifeform: were there no alts prior to 'litecoin' ?
mircea_popescu: all the various altcoins of any description are scrypt.
mircea_popescu: anyway, the argument against merge mining atc has more to do with the value of having an actual sha competitor for bitcoin, which may well be very instructive
asciilifeform: dub: extinct today.