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mircea_popescu: fluffypony: if
this was
twitter I'd hashtag
that with #delusional << is
the
tradefortress character pulling a goat ?
cazalla: sure np, 1:30am here
though, i'll be back in
the morning
mircea_popescu: chetty wait, what
trachery is
this ? first govt cuts a deal with states
then federal courts get it off
the hook for its part of
the deal ?
mircea_popescu: cazalla BingoBoingo's my atc broker we'll need him
to be here for both. do you mind ?
chetty: A U.S. appeals court has struck down subsidies for health insurance under
the Affordable Care Act in states
that use federal marketplaces
to buy coverage.
mircea_popescu: Pierre_Rochard: Morning cazalla. We get complaints about
that one every
time it shows up << what's
this all aboot ?
thickasthieves: "A pine
tree planted in 2004 in a Los Angeles park in memory of former Beatle George Harrison has died after being infested by beetles."
mircea_popescu: chetty: perhaps I should have said, shouldn't be. people do manage all sorts of stupids << dun worry about it.
the fuckwit has found
the perfect palliative
to learning how
things
that work work, and
the submission and ego wound implicit in such learning : he's going
to CREATE something
that's BETTER.
nubbins`: guy with
the hammer is wearing rubber boots
nubbins`: he did
the stations of
the cross in a rural newfoundland kind of style
too
nubbins`: which i believe makes him
thaddeus?
nubbins`: anyway, you can't really make it out, but pascale's dad is second from
the right in
that painting
nubbins`: mircea_popescu honestly i was worried it'd look like "NOO" instead of "ZOO" if i separated
the Os
mircea_popescu: the
thing's not global in any sense
tho. it's just
the cheeks
that are getting hot.
mircea_popescu: this progress
thing's really working, no wonder
the earth is warming.
nubbins`: this is set in an old newfoundland stagehouse,
there's cod drying in
the rafters and all kinds of old newfy stuff everywhere
chetty: mircea_popescu, a cheap, affordable copy
that misses all
the details which made it worth
the while//I
thought
that was modern china
mircea_popescu: nubbins` imo
the o's
touching is bad, but what do i know.
mircea_popescu: (and yes
the raphael is unsurpassed, mostly because
the christian church stands with learned antiquity roughly in
the position american contemporaneity stands with
the learned europe of last century. a cheap, affordable copy
that misses all
the details which made it worth
the while)
nubbins`: mp
that reminds me of something you'd see painted on a wall in belfast
assbot: imgur:
the simple image sharer
mircea_popescu: but mostly because
the fundamental problem
the "painter" has with his craft manifests not only in
the "people" giving
the wrong vibe, but
the whole scene having
the wrong atmosphere.
that room looks
to me like an apartment building in
the poor section of petrograd having an amphetamine fueled dream about itself.
mircea_popescu: not just because all
the humanoid figurines seem
to be really
the same alien,
assbot: Merchant Warrior - Online Payment Gateway
to Accept Credit Card & Check Payments
thickasthieves: <+jurov> BLOCKCHAIN JESUS ///
that's one sorry painting...
thickasthieves: <+mircea_popescu> someone or
the other had introduced
this option
to "copy" other
trader's strategy /// PAMM
chetty: of course
thats one way con games work
too, suck people in for a while with small 'investments'
xmj: within
the
trust game you just need
to deposit enough money with
the
trust escrow
to make
the other party likely of investing. you'll obtain efficient outcomes.
xmj: it seems
to
turn out
that
the way
to skip
the homework is solved
punkman: this is quite common: if C
trusts
the B->A connection, but A doesn't
trust B->C,
then C will often "send first" as
to eliminate risk for A at his expense.
chetty: fluffypony, a lot of
trust is built like
that, in small steps
punkman: if
the due diligence doesn't get you anywhere,
then you still have other
tools.
The fidelity bond is a good one, insurance another... any other good examples?
fluffypony: like if
the person wants
to
trade 0.1 BTC I'd risk it based on
the mutual connection
fluffypony: chetty: yeah, it depends on
the
type of
transaction as well
punkman: I'd rephrase
that, WoT is an avenue where you do due dilligence. You
trust MP enough, you can stop your search after getting
the "go-ahead" from MP
chetty: exactly, and
the crux is
the 'good enough', a judgment call
punkman: chetty,
the answer is both, but if
the
trust connections are good enough, you could skip
the due dilligence
chetty: I
trust MP, if MP says he
trusts B, should I
trust B or should I do my own homework?
xmj: i did not know escrow was
the
term i was looking for
punkman: xmj, I suppose
that's when B acts as escrow
fluffypony: if
this was
twitter I'd hashtag
that with #delusional
pankkake: "You seem
to be unaware
that CoinLenders and Inputs are independent.
They've always quite clearly stated
that
there are no warranties of any kind for coins stored
there, as such I do not owe you your claimed amount"
xmj: sure,
that's from
the perspective of A.
think of it from B's perspective!
punkman: if you have an indirect connection you
talk
to
that guy first of course
xmj: A <trust> B <trust> C. how does B leverage his bonds between B<>A and B<>C
to make A <trust> C appear/
xmj: we're not
talking about
that situation anyway?
punkman: that doesn't create
trust where
there is none
xmj: A
tells me
they
trust B, which makes me
trust B
through A's proxying (conditional on my estimation of A)
xmj: punkman: mostly because i work
that way
Pierre_Rochard: Morning cazalla. We get complaints about
that one every
time it shows up
cazalla: well if it isn't
the merchant meme
teasing redditor Pierre_Rochard
punkman: because you like
the idea?
punkman: and you can't magically make it appear out of
thin air
punkman: xmj: WoT works well if you have any formal (eg software) framework for WoT'ing <- no
that's exactly when WoT can fail catastrophically
assbot: How
to identify
trust and reciprocity
assbot: The Human Face of Game
Theory:
Trust and Reciprocity in Sequential Games by Catherine C. Eckel, Rick K. Wilson :: SSRN
xmj: Lucky for me
there's a whole subfield of Game
theory.
xmj: Science
to
the rescue.
chetty: (btw
this is a discussion worth having imo, just in case
there is a solution)
chetty: thing is blind
trust gets folks in
trouble all
the
time, how many people
thought Gox was ok because everybody is using it?
pankkake: a good example would be
those btc lending sites
xmj: delegation isn't
the part
that interests me
chetty: xmj: it does seem like in non-formal contexts iterative interaction history is
the common way xmj:
there has
to be a better deal// seriously
trust is pretty much a function
that can not be delegated
xmj: there has
to be a better deal.
xmj: it does seem like in non-formal contexts iterative interaction history is
the common way
xmj: i've resolved
to running game on -everyone-
xmj: no, my order went
through.
xmj: did you just buy
the .com domain?
pankkake: that's what linkedin is supposed
to be,
too
xmj: it's my longterm (>5 years) plan, i have
time.
xmj: how do you do
that in more loose (ie social) networks?
fluffypony: you
trust cazalla , I
trust you, I
talk
to you about your
trust relationship with cazalla
xmj: fluffypony: how do i leverage
that into getting you
two
to
trust each other?
cazalla: anyone want
to buy 10k atc?
xmj: how do you instill
trust -right from
the start- ?
fluffypony: if it's
transactional,
then a series of progressively larger escrowed deals establish historicity
xmj: What's
the best way of
trust brokering you've found so far? instilling
trust between
two parties
that do not yet now each other directly.)
TheNewDeal: I want
to see a game of life style graph
mircea_popescu: bitbet. giving
the bitcoin population
the sort of graphs it wants
to see. since 2012.
TheNewDeal: I'm quite fairly sure I understand
the greenish vs red colors. But
there's also a, perhaps, darker green line as well.
TheNewDeal: what does
the line indicate on
the bitbet.us histograph?
mircea_popescu: and it was
the west (specifically,
the french,
that made margerine. and linoleum)