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diana_coman: asciilifeform: since I can't say I know *what* you like, that part is not very clear to me: what is it that you don't like about it?
asciilifeform: diana_coman: asciilifeform is originally a lisp crackpot, rather than forth crackpot. forth is arguably 'polar opposite' , there is no gc, or 'raw ast' syntax, in fact no syntax in the familiar sense ( since you've studied 'peh' this summary oughta make sense. ) so best summary would be, i dun ~like~ forth, simply keep coming back to it because it appears to be the only known solution point in the domain space of 'most physically-com
diana_coman: asciilifeform: what's your history with forth anyway because now I'm totally confused: are you actually using it? for what? why not? or uhm, how come it popped up now but not before?
asciilifeform: hmm apparently i was wrong re 'okad'. appears to be a circa-2012 snapshot. nao if i had the free hands to try an' run !
asciilifeform: fwiw i suspect the fella would be here if he weren't 90 y.o.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: half of this is fair cut. moor does in fact sell chip ( and incidentally comes, unlike ~errything else on market, with full datashit ). but afaik the full src of the cad system was not published, to date. ( it's how he eats. ) so comes down to matter of heuristic, 'does exist, or is charlatan ?' based on d00d's work to date, and the published material re 'greenarray' product on sale, i'm inclined to say 'exists, worx
mircea_popescu: 's gotta go -- i have 0 problem choosing.
mircea_popescu: doesn't strike me as that unreasonable a standard ; but if it is -- fuck reason, i'm married to this standard before and beyond any fucking reason (not to mention -- before any sort of reason inkled in young mp's skull). so if something between this standard and reason
mircea_popescu: which is why i'm famous for being tyhe guy that sent the irs packing / tore fetlife a new one. cuz ~it is actually there~. concretely.
mircea_popescu: you understand this ? http://trilema.com/2014/interacting-with-fiat-institutions-a-guide/ contains ~THE ACTUAL EMAISL~. with the dumb bitches' name. and http://trilema.com/2015/the-fetlife-meatlist-volume-i/ inclkudes ~the actual filings~. not "a summary", not some fucking whisperings.
mircea_popescu: i mean the 3k lines of forth ?
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-07#1934823 << again, not irl. and i don't even advise trying this out
mircea_popescu: i tried chuckmoore.com/famous-3k-lines-forth-making-complete-vlsi-plant, found not. taking suggestions for improved method.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-07 12:05:12 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-07#1934661 >> e.g. http://www.greenarraychips.com/ . or the fact that his book was translated and printed in run of 1e6 even in sovok. but i expect 'not famous enuff' to mircea_popescu , cuz aint in his personal kit ? or wat.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-07 11:57:51 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-07#1934607 << interesting idea, but plox to give detailed spec, i suspect no one can bake based on the 3ln given
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-07#1934798 << how about i answer concrete qs ? that's pretty much all i know how to say atm.
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-07#1934794 << honestly i think the whole foundaton thing needs restructuring ; current structure failed repeated treboot attempts and does not look even theoretically rebootable.
mircea_popescu: nfi what anyone;d do with a lang that requires a literal meter of shelf for the dict ; nor do i know many people who ever read twenty english dictionaries. but there it is nevertheless.
asciilifeform: ( 'peh', fwiw, is NOT a standard-compliant forth, i committed quite deliberately war crimes against the classical standard in order to make the parser as simple as physically possible, to make all operators weigh 1 or 2 chars )
ossabot: Logged on 2019-09-06 04:37:22 spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-04#1933694 <-- ftr, I'm pretty sure that the same coat can be applied to mp-wp without much effort. so if e.g. billymg is interested, I can provide him with everything he needs; tho the blog is online already, not especially difficult to see how the webpage is structured.
billymg: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1933994 << completely true, and i agree with asciilifeform, i'm a fan of The Tar Pit's theme (i'm also partial to trinque's theme)
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-07#1934699 << in the orig. '17 thread re 'make cpu', mircea_popescu made the observation 'the sticker prices have 3 or 4 extra zeros on'em', i.e. pointless to even ask the q before we have penetration into the asian snakepits where iron is actually baked. without such, we're stuck looking at the chump ratecards.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-07 08:39:00 mircea_popescu: b) SELL IT to them. forcibly. i do mean, at the point of the sword, rape them with it.
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-07#1934668 << this is serious bugola. i'ma take a look.
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-07#1934664 << i also haven't learned hieroglyphs and moved to pekin. doesn't mean that couldn't, or at some point won't come to it.
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-07#1934661 >> e.g. http://www.greenarraychips.com/ . or the fact that his book was translated and printed in run of 1e6 even in sovok. but i expect 'not famous enuff' to mircea_popescu , cuz aint in his personal kit ? or wat.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-07 07:18:44 mircea_popescu: i don't specifically care if they become things or not -- but i'd much rather not be asked to foot the bill for their becoming. let them do the work themfuckingselves, which is why i say : piggybacking even more stupid shit atop a tower of stupid shit we're allegedly trying to clean up is... well ? it's stupid!
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-07#1934655 << appeal of forth is that there ~aint~ a 'tower'. i.e. can stand up all the compiler you need in coupla 100 bytes.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-07 06:48:09 mircea_popescu: should i put a copy up somewhere so "oh, same as python" wank can continue on actual basis ?
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-07#1934617 << i dun have a serious output for that q yet, will come back to it .
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-07 05:01:18 mircea_popescu: thinks asciilifeform should also get something ; though it's unclear how exactly to figure this out. but -- lacking a better idea, i guess he can have 10% of the winning bid in royalties and we see.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-07 04:57:27 mircea_popescu: the line where it was mentioned as text and the url to the logotron ; and c) deploys this to pizarro box (should be getting one presently i'm understanding) -- this step will also include putting a trilema clone in there (i'll provide the mp-wp install/db dumb, all that's needed is a mysql glue such that local myql server slaves trilema.com mysql server ; i intend to make a one line edit to the forms, such that
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-07#1934607 << interesting idea, but plox to give detailed spec, i suspect no one can bake based on the 3ln given
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-07 02:50:22 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934268 << ok, so did you also inherit the code/domain etc ? or should i rush through some replacements, eg spyked's imgpaster ? or what here ?
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-07 01:28:50 mircea_popescu: anyway, biosacks only need names if they're about to log here. both hanbot an' nicoleci are on, and so far what you lot wanna use them for is rather punching bags, from experience, so i don't see the urgency in naming anyone else.
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-07#1934457 << in orig q i was thinking 'does this personage correspond to a wot key', prolly oughta have said concretely. ( if mircea_popescu had revealed the chix's human name, this would not have meant anyffin to asciilifeform et al )
trinque: I'll stick it on the page here in a bit, gonna snag coffee and be back
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-07 02:50:22 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934268 << ok, so did you also inherit the code/domain etc ? or should i rush through some replacements, eg spyked's imgpaster ? or what here ?
hanbot: btw, since i have your ear: is the harappan reference a nod to all its extant scripts being very short?
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-07 01:24:56 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-29#1931863 << keks, so what, i been talking of harems &c for a decade+, yet peeps been just assuming i'm fantasizing or something ?
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-06 22:50:06 asciilifeform: trinque: i found , when experimented, that you have just about half minute! to answer their ping
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934414 << prolly a baked in fixnum from the days of the ancients no current scriptkiddy can touch. i say this because the identify nick response also 30 seconds.
mircea_popescu: but, what ca you do. i wasn't an adult in the 80s.
diana_coman: I would surely hope so; though you know, seeing how the bac data stuff went with those concerned focusing on "why are you doing this??" and ~nothing else, I wouldn't even be sure of anything.
diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-07#1934724 - fwiw I think this is actually a reasonably good description - I tend to politely ignore, yes.
diana_coman: so I'll look up further and figure it out re recognised status and all that too.
diana_coman: I'm at least curious about it for sure; and somehow over the years, no matter where and how I turned around, sooner or later (usually sooner) I *still* end up touching on the educational sector, what can I say more.
mircea_popescu: i expect the uk has bologna mandated standardized testing, yes ?
diana_coman: so let me see if I get the idea right:
diana_coman: I have trouble reasoning in terms of status coming from them, that's where I stumbled
diana_coman: hm, I can see that point too
diana_coman: basically: whether one has their stamp; I'd rather NOT have it tbh.
diana_coman: to cite from gov.uk "if your degree is not from an officially recognised UK university or college, there's no guarantee it'll count when you're looking for a job" ; i.e. whether you are within the system or not, the way I read it.
diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-07#1934570 - after a first look, it seems to me that it all depends on the degree to which one cares about "the system"; personally I don't care and don't even want to make the venture "caring" but to know what I'm looking for: are their notions (eg of "degrees") of any interest at all?
diana_coman: ah, that I can fully believe indeed.
diana_coman: hm, I recall some illustrations hanbot made on a trilema article - fwiw I think she can draw actually.
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934398 << quote hanbot ~weekly, "damn, i wish i could draw!!!"
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-06 22:40:58 trinque: I'm just glad to hear it's still on teh conveyor
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-06 22:40:32 asciilifeform: whole thread nearly borders on sin, given as almost anyffin i say on the subj is likely to be catastrophically wrong.
mircea_popescu: b) SELL IT to them. forcibly. i do mean, at the point of the sword, rape them with it.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-06 22:34:28 trinque: I'd just want to know who we're selling to. ourselves isn't enough
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934384 << yet all the good stuff that exists (i mean this in the most absoluely generall sense -- ALL of it) exists cuz we made it for ourselves.
mircea_popescu: that's your market identification right there, it's identified : i want to buy the washington monument for pennies. they'll sell it, as they have to, because they're old.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-06 22:22:57 trinque: I wouldn't propose building the thing without first identifying the market.
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934367 << i am ; and we will.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-06 22:16:06 asciilifeform: aha. tho presently i doubt that it's physically possible to make a 4096x4096b multiplier converge in <1ns
mircea_popescu: once that's done, i expect it'll be expensive but not untouchable. bout same as a house.
mircea_popescu: where the fuck is the "oh, mp, here, forth!" answer when one asks ? what, "oh, but mp, i meant comfortable in the sense of exactly opposite of comfort, because i subscribe to imperial nominative conventions, everything's gonna be called the opposite of what it actually
mircea_popescu: but i guarantee you if we actually reviewed the matter, it'd turn out to be exactly the same pile of mothridden useless dried out smegma all these other boi-"famous" turds ever turn out to be.
snsabot: Logged on 2018-12-19 16:01:57 phf: asciilifeform: i have no issues with unfriendliness of your approach or it's secret busting nature. i'm trying different approach, and so far our success is identical in that it's 0. we're at a point where our mutual approaches can benefit, yet you deny me mine, periodically insulting it in creative ways.
mircea_popescu: i don't specifically care if they become things or not -- but i'd much rather not be asked to foot the bill for their becoming. let them do the work themfuckingselves, which is why i say : piggybacking even more stupid shit atop a tower of stupid shit we're allegedly trying to clean up is... well ? it's stupid!
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-07 02:45:45 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934254 << i think there's so much shame / self-loathing necessarily (and, for that matter, correctly) naturally associated by the mind with leaving here, i dinf it unsurprising dudes leave quietly.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-06 21:41:37 trinque: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934003 << this is I think the subcurrent here.
mircea_popescu: legends about. and sure, maybe forth is conceptually interesting. but it's not a programming language anymore than any []http://trilema.com/2017/i-think-they-might-be-overdoing-it-in-places/[random impudent dicklet] "opinions" on things.
mircea_popescu: i dunno why this is obvious for people, but not obvious for concepts. a dead notion, such as "a great language nobody does anything useful in", be it lisp ~called~, forth, whatever the fuck, is just as much a language as harappan.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-06 22:00:33 asciilifeform: i'm not about to ask folx to learn it tho ( asciilifeform in fact quite fond of forth, and used extensively. but i also recognize that to most people utterly 'martian' )
mircea_popescu: should i put a copy up somewhere so "oh, same as python" wank can continue on actual basis ?
mircea_popescu: i guess i ate a semicolon up there. but anyways -- no, none of this shit actually exists.
mircea_popescu: i guess i should publish my ancient copy of imap just like with everything else or wtf.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-06 21:56:56 asciilifeform: well i was genuinely curious. for all i knew, lighter
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934315 << yes dude, but when ~i~ was curious the result came as "depends what you count". extend the same courtesy wtf.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-03 21:34:37 trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-09-03#1933478 << recently I torched my whole wad of elisp, got fed up with setting the dials on someone else's machine "just so" and calling the "just so" mine.
mircea_popescu: some things elementary can't even be. what'd a mod_lisp be like, and how would it differ from http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-03#1933597 ? i expect the answer is "it differs -- in all the wrong ways".
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-07 05:01:18 mircea_popescu: thinks asciilifeform should also get something ; though it's unclear how exactly to figure this out. but -- lacking a better idea, i guess he can have 10% of the winning bid in royalties and we see.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-06 21:56:19 asciilifeform: trinque: i went to look at what is php made from ( given all the prodding by mircea_popescu ) and seems to weigh at least as much as the python toolchain
mircea_popescu: i think that just about covers it, hopefully.
mircea_popescu: (ftr, this being a purely apache job, i do expect to see flask and crap taken out ; but othrweise no problem having actual channel sitting bot in python, doesn't hafta be rewritten or anything like that.)
mircea_popescu thinks asciilifeform should also get something ; though it's unclear how exactly to figure this out. but -- lacking a better idea, i guess he can have 10% of the winning bid in royalties and we see.
mircea_popescu: the line where it was mentioned as text and the url to the logotron ; and c) deploys this to pizarro box (should be getting one presently i'm understanding) -- this step will also include putting a trilema clone in there (i'll provide the mp-wp install/db dumb, all that's needed is a mysql glue such that local myql server slaves trilema.com mysql server ; i intend to make a one line edit to the forms, such that comments le
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-06 21:49:11 asciilifeform: and that can search from www, without cluttering chans ( my bot doesn't do PM and i intend to keep it that way )
mircea_popescu: i expect they're going to incrementally improve on trotskysm cinematruck / rooseveltism "uber eats", just have a truck visit with supplies weekly.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I have only Home Depot knowlede of how buildings age which overlaps poorly with the local stock of buildings here
BingoBoingo: Anyways if there were 40+ warm bodies and a desire to stot I'd suggest https://archive.is/uYcck
diana_coman: I'd love to.
mircea_popescu: something's gotta be done about that, too, i dun recall right off but there's however many six figure dubaloos stuck there since last decade
diana_coman: and yes, I'd much rather do that!
diana_coman: mircea_popescu: I'll have to look into it properly and come back
mircea_popescu: otherwise... i can't imagine why the fuck.
diana_coman: mircea_popescu: myeah; I'd rather not do it; my q is whether anyone sees any reason it would be worth it and apparently the answer is no (phew, I'm glad it is no, even)
mircea_popescu: diana_coman, i dunno, sounds very stupidappeasing to me personally. but... your show.