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ben_vulpes: don't worry Adlai, nubbins` filters the true crackpots out
trinque: +nubbins` | "complete model" doesn't really make sense << thought I said that
nubbins`: "complete model" doesn't really make sense
ben_vulpes: "you can't model the universe with anything short of a universe."
ben_vulpes: "ah ah, mister! you can't get me that easily! it's models all the way out!"
Adlai: he's in touch with "his reality", by which i mean, the reality of the society in which he operates. that society might be out of touch with realreality, but that doesn't require the inside of the bubble to see what's without.
mircea_popescu: this is ridiculous on the face, of course, but hey. if they understood things they wouldn't be underclass.
pete_dushenski: guy by the door... doesn't care.
mircea_popescu: "so you mean to tell me now i don't get a say into how the world works anymore, because back when i got the benefit of the doubt all i could do was being an idiot on reddit ?" "exactly"
mircea_popescu: "what do you mean, i can't own a pet only for the portion where i wanna play with it, but not for the portion where i have to feed it and clean its cage ??!?!" "exactly"
mircea_popescu: this idea that most people "should" get a say in what happens to them... dude, if you do that, the same most people go "hey, i don't want to be bothered reading 548958609 pages of tax code, to then go have a hanging party for the govt that made it".
ben_vulpes: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9321313 << "i don't get a say in this new world order and that sucks!"
mircea_popescu: "i support america because if i didn't, you'd just take it all anyway like putin took X's. I'm no Soros."
mircea_popescu: specifically because math is math, and the thing can't even keep up with itself.
mircea_popescu: if you don't get 100 senators for every senator you had in 1965, you're behind.
mircea_popescu: if your investmentrs aren't yielding 20% WHILE YOUR POLITICAL CLOUT IS YIELDING 20%!!!
pete_dushenski: aren't*
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski and amusingly, this is a very indicative symptom of the problem. if "inflation didn't exist" and all this created value, people would care as much about 10 bucks now as 50 years ago. hey, it's a lunch.
mircea_popescu: so... yeah k, markets are efficient. anglosphere hasn't seen a market in many decades, if indeed it did this century.
pete_dushenski: and now the 'crowdfunding' cap is 50 mn bezzlars because the command economy doesn't do nickels and dimes worth a shit
mircea_popescu: ethereum through and through "technologees" you can't even short because nobody actually bought. because no actual market, because no actual anything there.
pete_dushenski: the government being a customer but not 'a customer' means that it doesn't care about quality in the same way, just quantity
pete_dushenski: if cadbury is willing to throw their biggest market under the bus, smaller markets like canada aren't far behind.
pete_dushenski: for those who don't know, this is what canadians call a 'donut hole'
mircea_popescu: i get it tho, it just didn't compute.
mircea_popescu: memory hole effect. somehow while we clearly see how stupid Xi is, it doesn't end up taring the whole of X equally.
trinque: mircea_popescu: instructions amount to "don't install it" plus eudev not udev
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-04-2015#1088514 << you don't say. ☝︎
ben_vulpes: nubbins`: how would one go about determining what parts of boost weren't needed and then compiling boost without those bits?
nubbins`: but yes, on 32-bit machine this apparently doesn't happen. might be workaroundable
nubbins`: i don't think bitcoind needs python, i think it's just compiling EVERYTHING in boost
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski amusingly, the "pes sic tendatur ne lodix protereatur" one doesn't seem to be known in english
mircea_popescu: (if you think about it, you realise how "doesn't build statically" is === "code is not available")
mircea_popescu: and yes that means dns is not implemented. which it isn't, whether this kludge is available or not.
mircea_popescu: "o but dns wouldn't work anymore" "fuck you"
ben_vulpes: so the 'static' build i produced on my deb 6 VM wasn't *truly* static, but claimed to be even though it dynamically linked into libnss on whatever system on which it ran successfully?
nubbins`: i don't know if there's any particular advantage to using an older version of the base os
trinque: I haven't been through the handbook in a while
trinque: ben_vulpes: you don't end up with systemd unless you ask for it
trinque: er... there aren't instructions, just do the !register command
mircea_popescu: im thinking one pound. because you shouldn't be able to put away more than that in a weekend.
mircea_popescu: if there isn't another heartbleed in there, someone's been slacking on their job.
asciilifeform: must confess, i can't speak for him, yes
mircea_popescu: i don't think he's too happy with it.
asciilifeform: (example: what is the cost of inhabiting a free-standing building with mains current, temperature control, and good fiber net? free-standing at least to the extent that you can't hear screaming children, smell neighbours' shit, etc)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform if you can't find cunt in argentina the problem is deeper than the sea.
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: i can't speak for the fella, but i suspect that he is looking for a btc substitute for his day job. which is not likely to exist.
whaack: ty, I've reached a point in my life where I can't stand working for VC money anymore. But I have an issue where I don't know of a better way to get bitcoins faster than milk a SF dev valley job and buy them with fiat. I've come for guidance on the issue
mircea_popescu: it wouldn't.
chetty: I got as far as having it claim it built a static, but then it really wasn't and wouldn't run without the libs
mircea_popescu: no but that it can't link statically because it's what it is, like dns.
mircea_popescu: "hey, if your program uses video, or the internet, you can't make it!"
asciilifeform: (what would it take to get rms in here so i don't have to play archaeologo-psychiatrist on him ?)
mircea_popescu: (ie you can't tell anyone what to do out of their own aesthetic sense)
asciilifeform: do we kill mice, roaches, by pretending they aren't there ?
mircea_popescu: i don't see this actually describes either situation.
asciilifeform: it means that if a pile of shit stinks too loudly he has the option of turning his nose and pretending it isn't there - and takes it
mircea_popescu: is apolitical = "i don't give a shit about whatever your ideology may be" ?
mircea_popescu: and i don't believe the man is anything but 100% honest.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform & wimc : so rms sez he never heard of libnss before, and can't even recall what it does.
asciilifeform: it isn't removable
asciilifeform: <PeterL> the mailman, and he is going to stop delivering my mail if I don't meet his demands in the next two weeks << i was once excommunicated from the u.s. post for a few weeks. had tiny mailbox that would fill with spam over mere days when i left town. when full enough, long enough - excommunication
asciilifeform: beginning to suspect that valgrind isn't seeing the whole picture
asciilifeform: <nubbins`> he doesn't know of anyone else to fund! <<< ahahahahahaha l0l no.
Chillum: "Do be white..." "Don't be black"
Chillum: I don't get it either
nubbins`: he doesn't know of anyone else to fund!
PeterL: the mailman, and he is going to stop delivering my mail if I don't meet his demands in the next two weeks
PeterL: the box used to be on the house itself, and I moved it to the porch rail so he wouldn't have to go up the steps, but apparently that isn't good enough, now I gotta go buy a post and dig a hole to stick it in
PeterL: said there was too much ice where it was, but there won't be any more ice for another 6 months at least now that everything melted
PeterL: so, my lastest run-in with USG agents: the mailman doesn't like where my mailbox is. It is currently on the rail of my porch, he says I must instal a box on a post in my yard
cazalla: heh this one ain't bad, has the chick from neighbours too https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H33cPuwsY48
cazalla: can't get to binos without risking waking up the kid
fortune501: if fucking a tranny is gonna give you nightmares, don't do it
mircea_popescu: it's kind-of incredible (if you look at things rationally - otherwise if you look at things historically it's exactly expected) that two years later they are STILL TRYING to pretend like they don't have to come to terms.
BingoBoingo: Their stuff not only fails to wash, it also doesn't dry clean. The sort of cheap polyester the solvents melt.
pete_dushenski: "The lesson for all of us in Bitcoin is to never put any trust in a centralized org again that wanted to represent Bitcoin or the Core Development of Bitcoin." << or the lesson is, don't fuck with la serenissima ?
cazalla: pete_dushenski, bet it still won't work, ready..
pete_dushenski: gravy is some nasty shit. i can't stand it with anything.
mircea_popescu: http://41.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ll1sufMqJZ1qaz8fmo1_1280.jpg << i don't recall if we did this or not ?
mircea_popescu: o it is isn't it.
pete_dushenski: if that's not an ecumenical day i don't know what is.
asciilifeform: (believe or not - i don't have one...)
mircea_popescu: well, something like that. moreover, they aren't imaginary. they're actual. purposes are always and necessarily mere delusions.
trinque: right, causes aren't arbitrary
mircea_popescu: trinque comes down exactly to the ancient causes and purposes distinction. if people find a way to fly, nobody "deems gravity broken" or hoilds talks on how to patch it "because this wasn't the intended result"
trinque: I wasn't talking about just human life
mircea_popescu: i wonder why people don't think representative reproduction is a workable idea, incidentally. we all get together, pick me to fuck all your wives and girlfriends, and that's that. everyone else gets http://40.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lsx3hxyNS51r3yt08o3_1280.jpg
assbot: Logged on 04-04-2015 02:21:29; junseth: Haha, well the question is what was the alternative. The alternative before the Fed was not necessarily better. I'm not a fan of central banks. But I think it's disingenuous to say that the central bank hasn't done a decent job of "running" the currency. The solution is to solve the problems caused by central banking. I think that's why we're all Bitcoiners.
mircea_popescu: people have to accept their feelings don't matter. they always end up doing this, it's just some have to get raped with a spiked club first.
assbot: Logged on 04-04-2015 02:04:31; junseth: RE: the discussion about markets, I generally disagree with the notion that markets don't work. I know it's a common mantra. But markets, even decently regulated ones, work pretty well. Regulated markets price in the cost of regulation.
mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-04-2015#1087666 << dude, it's not a discussion that "markets don't work". it's a discussion that before markets can work, you gotta have them. similarly, if you don't have running water, you have a hygiene problem. this isn't because "bathrooms don't work", it's because you.do.not.have.one.
assbot: Logged on 31-03-2015 20:23:48; ascii_field: Chillum: barcode reader is simple enough conceptually that it doesn't need a cpu.
decimation: which isn't terribly simple, I admit
decimation: asciilifeform: well, self-reconstructing is one thing, but certainly the very 'base' install isn't much bigger than a buildroot
asciilifeform: i don't want any redhat patches. if were any good, would have made it back into mainline.
trinque: didn't say transact
junseth: Haha, well a market is a place where individuals come and transact. That's what it means. What does it look like? I mean, it can look like a lot of things. But a marketplace doesn't have to look like any one thing.
asciilifeform: junseth: there are also many scams which promise to run your car on water. for some reason their existence doesn't bother folks who aren't drooling idiots.
junseth: I agree backing bitcoin with metal doesn't make sense. But there are so many scams that are showing up these days that are taking advantage of the sentiment that a gold/silver backed crypto would be better.