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decimation: sad story that
fluffypony: we used to go up there when I was a kid
fluffypony: Ponte Tower
fluffypony: although given its political prominance they're been shuttered off to the suburbs
decimation: where's the skyscraper that has filled with squatters and shit?
fluffypony: Pretoria is the vanguard of old-school white Afrikaans-hood
fluffypony: decimation: the Rhodesians are mostly in Johannesburg
fluffypony: will take you about 4 weeks to do that route, and it's incredible
decimation: is that where all the aliens (I mean rhodesians) live?
fluffypony: Cape Town -> Garden Route -> Durban and surrounds -> Sun City -> Kruger Park
fluffypony: nobody goes to PTA unless you have to
RebeccaBitcoin: I went there a few years ago and wtf
mircea_popescu: safer than south africa for ordinary women, i gather :D
mircea_popescu: however... they're like the vanguard of fucktarded socialistoid idiocy.
mircea_popescu: i mean all the sympathy for them people being surrounded by a bunch of arab derpage, which they consistently own bareback.
decimation: well, going down this road would be a good first step
assbot: Spy stuff pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: RebeccaBitcoin: Then I should put both in a fire >>> http://trilema.com/2014/spy-stuff/
mircea_popescu: Israel wants to outlaw cash << israel needs to fucking burn already.
decimation: this will only make bitcoin look better of course, as each government reduces its fiat to another altcoin (premined of course)
decimation: as this blog points out, the real reason they are doing this is to bar another escape hatch from the bezzle economy
assbot: A Cashless Society in the World of Fiat | Theden | Thedening the West
decimation: http://theden.tv/2014/08/05/a-cashless-society-in-the-world-of-fiat/ Israel wants to outlaw cash... so only outlaws use cash
mircea_popescu: <RebeccaBitcoin> like the dryer << me goes to craigslist with that information
Vexual: what about a gps inside that only sees the sun if the crack it with one of those doorknocker things that jerusalem has
RebeccaBitcoin: are like "hey bro check it, there's money under it"
RebeccaBitcoin: under the safe is a horrible idea
kakobrekla: (under the safe)
RebeccaBitcoin: like the dryer
Vexual: like buy a known safe, and move the intenals?
RebeccaBitcoin: what's that term
decimation: presumably the jackbooted thugs arrive before that time
ben_vulpes: or any million of other tricks
Vexual: then you watch that drillbit get real hot
RebeccaBitcoin: find the secret code
RebeccaBitcoin: someone types it in, then a few mins later, take the thermal image
RebeccaBitcoin: ya cause you can buy one of those heat things
decimation: a keypad seems like a terrible design for sensitive data entry
decimation: it seems to me that the few mechanical inputs the better off you are
asciilifeform: decimation: you can pick these up on 'ebay' to play with. couple 100 usd.
asciilifeform: decimation: a very peculiar golden toilet. handle turns generator.
Vexual: im getting troll pink from you rebeecca
asciilifeform: wonder if that's the case on all of these 'electric' safes.
fluffypony: your name is poo brown to me
asciilifeform: you gotta love how pcb track to solenoid driver FET is exposed under the rubber keypad
RebeccaBitcoin: how can I change my name to the different colours that you guys use
Vexual: fuck that kick it harder
decimation: not that said box is safe, either
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i think she was just playing dumb.
asciilifeform: novice can be considered 'graduated' and teachable, e.g. actual maths, when she stops saying 'safe' except to refer to a heavy metal box
mircea_popescu: <decimation> absolute confidence is impossible until asciilifeform gets his room-sized fpga << but then where would he sleep ?
mircea_popescu: omg the zingers tonight
kakobrekla: now you know its not practical to be safe.
RebeccaBitcoin: Thats pretty much all I wanted to know
asciilifeform: RebeccaBitcoin: work involved in determining 'legit' is roughly equal to writing your own.
mircea_popescu: fluffypony im a jack of all trades
decimation: what would be the point of an offline web wallet?
RebeccaBitcoin: Assuming I download the source code, it seems legit, I put it on an offline computer.
decimation: and what your client transmits in response
asciilifeform: but, other fact, question of what was actually served up to you when you browse the site on a particular occasion.
decimation: asciilifeform stated this above, more or less
ben_vulpes: RebeccaBitcoin: <ben_vulpes> i wonder if its trivially bruteforceable
RebeccaBitcoin: certain number of private keys, thus making the possibliity of hashing all of the possibilities possible, then draining any accounts.
RebeccaBitcoin: Before this conversation got out of hand, i was mainly referring to the ability of this site to generate a random wallet. I've read before that mouse entropy is crap. While there are 2892383289 ^298289 possible private keys for Bitcoin, a wallet like this might be much more limited. As such, a system like this might only be capable of generating a
decimation: heh yeah well we need to find a sufficiently rich prince
ben_vulpes: treat your satoshis well and your integer btc will treat you well.
ben_vulpes: RebeccaBitcoin: mind you, that amount can change rapidly based on their fiat denomination, and your lazy self might decline to move them until it's too late.
decimation: well, what is certainly true is that you have run the privkey generator on your own machine, using reasonably open software, you have more (not absolute) confidence that your keys are not compromised
RebeccaBitcoin: So in conclusion: I should not store any coins with rush wallet, unless the amount is such that I don't mind losing them.
asciilifeform: brings to mind an ancient recipe for chicken soup (attributed to the gypsies, but accounts vary)
decimation: one can design black boxes with assumptions inside all day; what matters is the ability to master the details implict in all the assumptions being made
RebeccaBitcoin: put those coins on mpex
RebeccaBitcoin: set up a bot to monitor the balances of the private keys
RebeccaBitcoin: use your stealy stuff that records the private key
decimation: that's assuming that you designed the parts too, he's gonna charge way more if you need design help
asciilifeform: (and possibly tempted to change professions)
asciilifeform: RebeccaBitcoin: then you learn another useful lesson - what a professional machinist charges.
RebeccaBitcoin: then tada, I'm done
RebeccaBitcoin: my first step would be to copy and paste that to craiglist
RebeccaBitcoin: I'm not sure what that is
asciilifeform: RebeccaBitcoin: if you were to set to it, how long would it take you to build a small two-cycle petrol engine?
fluffypony: seriously - there are people that specialise in this that could probably do it faster than anyone here, and even we can ascertain what the threat model is
FabianB: RebeccaBitcoin: main concern with sites like rushwallet are probably not third-parties but the site owners themselfes, private key is in the url, readable by javascript; even if the private key is not read by current js, they can change it any second, read it, send it to their server
mircea_popescu: there';s no mind involved. asciilifeform already told you the process.
mircea_popescu: you seem to realise somehow halfway in the middle.
RebeccaBitcoin: if you put your brilliant mind to it, how long would it take you to crack rushwallet.com
RebeccaBitcoin: yes I realize that
Vexual: or the attacker has some benefit from showing the attack'
mircea_popescu: <RebeccaBitcoin> and it takes you more than 90 days to crack it, I would call it "reaosnably safe" << takes about two hours, if someone could be arsed.
fluffypony: there's that too
asciilifeform: RebeccaBitcoin: so attacker could move from mother's basement into a palace, were he to sell the attack to a higher bidder, vs. your 10 merely moves him to a new flat.
decimation: http://www.fedsafes.com/frequently_asked_questions.php "Class 6 safes are used for the storage of documents, maps & drawings. They provide protection against 30 minutes of covert entry & 20 hours of surreptitious entry. Class 5 safes are used for the storage of documents, weapons, drugs, funds, sensitive materials & equipment. Class 5 safes have the same covert & surreptitious entry protection as class 6 safes but they also protect
decimation: I think they distinguish between overt and covert entry
RebeccaBitcoin: and it takes you more than 90 days to crack it, I would call it "reaosnably safe"
fluffypony: RebeccaBitcoin: if you put 10 BTC in a wallet and posted about it on Reddit and some netsec mailing lists and gave it 90 days that would be a concrete test
asciilifeform: (one usually is more concerned that seekrit dokument isn't stolen undetected, rather than mere fact of theft)
RebeccaBitcoin: give you the public key
asciilifeform: decimation: nitpick. usg-blessed safes are optimized for tamper-evidence, rather than absolute strength
asciilifeform: but would you assume burglars will line up to try, simply by virtue of you having wished it?
kakobrekla: on the other hand, locks safety is defined by how much time it takes to break it.