asciilifeform: asciilifeform has somewhat atypical ( and to mp_en_viaje , grating ) pov re linux because was never wwwist (until voluntarily fell on this grenade for tmsr work) , instead earned bread for yrs on such things as ~non networked~ linux boxen where crunched numbers, drove eldritch machinery, etc
asciilifeform: but to take this angle further -- it could have easily grown ( just as briefly, or longer, no one can know ) through ~different~ crack. if were not for www fad, could easily know linux today as 'that thing weird greybeards use for cnc-ing submarine propellers'
asciilifeform: asciilifeform's model is, linux grew briefly in '90s exactly like tree seedling briefly grows through pavement crack. but in the end the tar pot and the roller do come, crack is sealed.
asciilifeform: all such exceptions, strictly temporary.
asciilifeform: so they had to make grudging exception.
asciilifeform: the 'cluck' tech was not up to the level, just yet, of 'deskill AND still worx-well-enuff-for-the-chumps-to-eat'
asciilifeform: when 'let's run it on microshit' and had to backpedal
asciilifeform: this portrait isn't wrong, but came out of particular instance of such problem in 1990s, when wwwism came into fashion. recall microshit's purchase of 'hotmail' ?
asciilifeform: both, however, occasionally forced to make 'unprincipled exception', cuz the set of what can be done by deskilled monkey with 'cluck' tool is never 100% .
asciilifeform: the capitalist of 1900 and the bureaucrat of 2000 have entirely common interest in deskilling ( skilled labour is poison , from pov of either ) and the underlying parts , whether computer or lathe or whatever, dun particularly matter, same pressure
asciilifeform: and from certain pov (e.g. scrap dealer's, who only melts it down) all the rusty carcasses in junkyard are ~exactlysame. but from pov of the folx who go in when mp_en_viaje asks 'build a tank by mid august' -- not quite same.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i'm not about to defend individual pieces of the rusting junkyard from which built e.g. logger;
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i have no desire for 'improved apache', any more than for 'improved ms vb'
asciilifeform: lobbes's hieroglyphs barf oughta be handled. after that would like to leave the logger to other folx to patch, at least for nao.
asciilifeform: ( i'd rather paint grass green, if have any say, than to continue fiddling the knobs )
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: if yer happy to live with 'teletype' i'ma entirely happily leave it entirely alone
asciilifeform: i suspect at this pt apache absorbed moar hrs than pyramid of cheops. and will welcome proof of 'yer hands grow out of arse, turn this-here knob and the 6s will become 0.2'.
asciilifeform: i don't presently know why mp_en_viaje makes special pleading for apache et al to exempt'em from 'software is univerally shite'
asciilifeform: proggy -- is published. if no one sheds light on e.g. how to banish the spurious delay, will have to approach the q with whatever method i know of ( or live with it )
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: may well be doomed to write www serv before this is over.
asciilifeform: hey ben_vulpes, wanna come out of coma and say how you ate arbitrary unibarf ?
asciilifeform: quite arguably any proggy that uses heathen libs -- and pointedly includes my logger -- is pressed sawdust, worx until you hit whatever speshulcase the speshulchildren didn't think 'is possible'
asciilifeform: (i suspect answer lies deep in the CL libs that he used tho, and not necessarily in head.)
asciilifeform: phf's bot, incidentally, ate. now would be a notbad time for the fella to come the hell out of his coma and say how.☝︎
asciilifeform: ( is there a standard 'this is a dud orcogram' glyph ?? )
asciilifeform: if i don't find a mechanical method of somehow 'dwim'ing out the intended orcograms, i'ma have the bot replace'em with hammer-an'-sickle . unless someone has better idea.
asciilifeform: bot oughta log anyffin whatsoever that could possibly go in the wire.
asciilifeform: still gotta be worked around somehow.
asciilifeform: observe, incidentally, that this did not drop the bot.
asciilifeform: so, evidently py's uniturd eater is broken, and needs pre-massage if it is to become properly omnivorous
asciilifeform: may well end up having to rewrite the formatter to use <table> . as in phuctor. there, and nowhere else , wrapping seems to work 100% , on all browser from 'lynx' to 1990s 'netscape'
asciilifeform: ( from ~output~ of phf's , that is, to this day nobody knows how it birthed this output )
asciilifeform: but where doesn't ( see the overflowing pgs ) currently nfi why, nor even where to start investigation
asciilifeform: to the extent that the renderer worx, is because lifted from phf's (and massaged empirically)
asciilifeform: i for instance have only the foggiest notion of why cssism does what it does and when/where
