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mjr_: and
there are certain
things you CANNOT do anymore which you COULD before
mircea_popescu: there's an entire class of
them, occasionally i bitchslap
them into
the abyss, but whatever.
mircea_popescu: you can
translte
the miner';s desire
to "runn different code" in
the flurry of idiotic "revolutionary" nonsense imbeciles like molecular are pushing on
the forum.
mircea_popescu: mjr_ it's not meaningfully different or else it wouldn't be able
to run.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform
the english language'd have benefited immensely had it been frozen solid when handed off
to
the nutty colonists cca 1700.
mjr_: i am saying
that
the code
that is running on some mining machines is not
the same code
that ran in 2011
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes:
thestringpuller: looks like your login succeeded, i have no idea right
this moment why
the request
timed out. <<bring on
the muffins!
mircea_popescu: i can refer you
to some random bathroom stall ? what of it ?
mjr_: and you can runn a diff on
the code if you want
mjr_: i can refer you
to
the latest release notes if you like
mjr_: perhaps
that point was missed...but basically alts are pointless, because bitcoin can adopt anything
they can invent IF it is useful enough
to be adopted
mircea_popescu: <mjr_> considering
the bitcoin standard gets changed around once every 2 months << i have nfi what you're on about, it's noit changed since 2011.
mjr_: there is no need
to launch an alt
pete_dushenski: punkman: "This is great
transparency, Vitalik. You're setting
the right standards" << a shining beacon of derpitude
mjr_: if
the idea behind an alt was so good,
the market would have selected it
to be included in bitcoin already
mjr_: and
they have a way of cutting
through bullshit, and
that was my only point
mjr_: markets are
the most efficient way
to get
to optimum
mircea_popescu: enter about 50 years of sterile "social studies" on
the
topic of how a bureaucracy is much better.
mjr_: what are
the miners running?
mjr_: which is why, IF it needs
to change, it will change
xmj: asciilifeform:
Thank you for reiterating my point.
mjr_: he can't change
things by fiat,
the market rules what he does
xmj: he can want
that all day long :)
mjr_: even
though
the creator has stated he wants people
to move
to 3
mjr_: the creator wants
them
to use python 3
mjr_: and
that right now is based on who makes
the most convincing argument
mjr_: i don't
think we have
this calcification
that you point
to
mjr_: considering
the bitcoin standard gets changed around once every 2 months
mjr_: and once people start hurting in
the wallet,
they move quick
mjr_: so, if
things need
to change,
they change
mjr_: oh...the market responded and
they capped
themselves at 40
mjr_: so when
that pool got over 51%
mjr_: either way, people vote with
their mining power
xmj: no no,
that's altcoind
xmj: mjr_: yes, well, what do you
think
the 'd' in btcd and bitcoind stands for?
mjr_: don't want
to get into religion
nubbins`: using bitcoin
to help children with
type 1 diabetes
assbot: Jerry
the Bear Using Bitcoin
to Help Children With
Type 1 Diabetes Bitcoin Magazine
mjr_: so,
the heteroculture of bitcoin can act as a deterrent
to any one group being able
to dictate
mjr_: bitcoind has
to follow
mjr_: if bitcoinj btcd etc decide
to do it
mjr_: there are more
than 1 implementation
xmj: welcome
to #reality,
this is not how committees work.
xmj: mjr_:
that assumes
things get into Bitcoin on a Meritocratic base.
mircea_popescu: somehow ever since good old productive labour became something for niggers and mexicans,
the ontological hope of all usians is inextricably
tied
to "ideas" and "Creativity" and "being famous" etc.
mjr_: if your motives were pure, you wouldn't need
to launch an alt
mjr_: IF
the idea was good, you wouldn't need
to launch an alt
xmj: LitecoinSchadenf: I've seen it
Time and
Time again.
mjr_: so
the only rationale is
that "the idea isn't good", or "i don't want
to give away
the idea without scamming people for money and boosting my ego"
mircea_popescu: mjr_
there's very little ideas
to be had and very many people who like
to
tell
themselves htey have ideas.
xmj: LitecoinSchadenf:
they'll predictably bash ANY non-gold{,silver} currency.
mircea_popescu: godovo beats me. look
through
the logs, it's all
there.
mjr_: but you wouldn't be able
to boost your ego, or scam people into paying you
godovo: mircea_popescu: what's
there
to
talk about
then?
mjr_: what i meant is
that IF
the community who uses bitcoin pretty much unanimously like your idea
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yeah well
that's not really what a good idea is now is it.
godovo: mircea_popescu: I bet
they want "guarantees" or escrow
mjr_: i want
to either get puts, sell futures, or borrow and sell
mircea_popescu: but inasmuch as
the market for
them is exactly 0...
there's no way
to short. nor do
they have any \value
godovo: mircea_popescu: btw, any
takers on
the eth "deal"?
mjr_: nubbins`:
thanks for
the
tip
mircea_popescu: otherwise one could short
them either as futures (like i am
trying
to shoirt eth/doge)
mjr_: ah, P.T. Barnum said
that a sucker is born every minute
mircea_popescu: you can'
tshort
them because
there is nobody buying
them lol/
mjr_: You can't short
the alts, because
there is no
trustworthy lender, because
they are all scams...
mjr_: mircea_popescu: I meant you can short almost all stocks
today, you couldn't in
the 90's
tech bubble.
pete_dushenski: godovo: afaik it was useful, if not profitable,
the former quality being a first in
the history of altcoins
mircea_popescu: no you can't. im
talking of
the hyip crap. where do you
think all
these forum-ceos are coming from ?
mjr_: mircea_popescu: but you can short some of
those...nowadays it is a lot easier
to short, and easy
to borrow stock in order
to do so
mircea_popescu: mjr_ nah
that's not it at all. it's much more like
the online scam "industry", ie, 90% of volume is self-trading.
mjr_: personally, i
think
that if it were about "your idea" and "your idea" had value, it would be incorporated into bitcoin...
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform:
there was
that one
that
tested out how btc would behave when all new coins were mined.
mjr_: ok, i reread
the FAQ, where are DERPS explained (i get it obviously, its stupid businesses, hence
the name DERP)
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I believe
The20YearIRCloud called you old