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mircea_popescu: the article sized comments will continue until it stops with the nitpicks
asciilifeform: aha just finished reading that.
assbot: Pushing the soft tender flesh of a friend against the sharp rotating blades of the immutable machine. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
X-Rob: But, if people are going to drive the prices up, then I"m going to take advantage of it
X-Rob: as a lot of them just leave the defaults. Which is fine for a slow, scrypt, pool. But terrible when you point TH of SHA at it.
X-Rob: and a lot of the time I then have to help smaller pools configure their servers correctly
X-Rob: Apocalyptic: I normally work on ;;genrate + 10%, and I justify the +10% as 'I know what the fuck I'm doing, and you're going to get that hashrate pointed wherever you want it'
Apocalyptic: if you find people willing to rent hardware for a ridiculous price then you're good regardless
Apocalyptic: that's a different story, as you're not the only one bearing the cost
X-Rob: that paid off all my avalon3 gear which I bought on a whim and then immediately regretted.
X-Rob: EG, when BTCD emerged, I managed to earn 3BTC in 2 days.
X-Rob: Apocalyptic: It works in my, specific, limited circumstances. I have access to free power, and, I lease my hardware out. I also get to ride the wave of pump'n'dump coins, without actually any exposure.
X-Rob: damn having two people starting with 'the'
Apocalyptic: <X-Rob> I normally just reinvest into hardware. // this strategy is bound to fail
TheNewDeal: what do you have now? did I see something like 13.6 TH?
thestringpuller: ;;later tell X-Rob do you mine yourself? if so do you sell btc?
TheNewDeal: what's with the stock bet precedent of "close at price" vs "trade at price" ?
mircea_popescu: this silver that can't even keep 1%... what silver is it!
TheNewDeal: gotcha, justr trying to get an idea of scale
mircea_popescu: mpex was new, plenty of finance people had just for the first time in their life had this new pympex weirdo device and key based trading and etc.
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal the common wisdom at the time was that someone butterfingered. either it was meant to be a buy rather than a sell, or too many zeroes or something
TheNewDeal: seriously why would you need that much bitcoin that fast
TheNewDeal: did it ever rebound to the same level?
mircea_popescu: (there was this event, back in 2012 iirc, when someone sold like 1mn shares in shallow bids, resulting into a temporary 99.9% drop of the price)
mircea_popescu: sounds like btc is nao copying mpex, i recall how pissed ppl were on the first and original sd dump
mircea_popescu: so next time set an alarm lol.
punkman: went to like $300 on btc-e
TheNewDeal: dropped to 442 a few hours ago
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 470.68, Best ask: 472.44, Bid-ask spread: 1.76000, Last trade: 470.67, 24 hour volume: 26807.72118225, 24 hour low: 442.0, 24 hour high: 510.0, 24 hour vwap: 499.397297578
gribble: Bitstamp | A market order to buy 1000 bitcoins right now would take 480559.8422 USD and would take the last price up to 492.0000 USD, resulting in an average price of 480.5598 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 0.0276 seconds
atcbot: [CoinMiner Hashrate]: 2.26 TH/s [PityThePool Hashrate]: 0.00 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 0 TH/s
atcbot: [CoinMiner Hashrate]: 2.21 TH/s [PityThePool Hashrate]: 0.00 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 0 TH/s
asciilifeform wonders if the musket will come back into fashion
asciilifeform: http://www.scribd.com/doc/236628112/Baltimore-District-Court-gun-ruling << mega-lol. u.s. federal judge quietly cancels the 'right to bear arms' thing by proclaiming that modern tech is not included.
BingoBoingo: Coinbase better be unintentionally lulzy and let the ATC block explorer live...
TheNewDeal: was this the first popular block explorer http://blockexplorer.com/ ?
asciilifeform: chetty: the poster is a favourite of librarians.
asciilifeform: there is a third option, that i'll bring up for completeness because it appears to be very popular these days: piss in a paper cup, write 'beer' on it, drink up.
asciilifeform: 'a decade in the lab could save you an afternoon in the library.'
asciilifeform: just as, if you want a glass of beer, no need to go to the pub - find some sand, salt, build a forge, having the glass, find some hops, barley... perhaps you will drink a superior beer in a few decades
asciilifeform: well, technically not required. you can always decide to spend the next 20 years as a historian and walk the author's sources yourself, coming to his - or a different - conclusion.
TheNewDeal: why did they push for it then
jurov: <mircea_popescu> [09:28:56] mp lists derps, ... nobody wants to do series a anymoar. << but i was waiting with any advertisement till F.DERP gets online
asciilifeform: why did the rulers of ussr, china, etc. push so aggressively for mechanized agriculture? to free the plow-pullers from their toil so they can watch opera?
thestringpuller: !s trilema porn
asciilifeform: !s trilema corn
asciilifeform: in so far as food can still be produced via traditional low-tech methods, the dream remains a dream
asciilifeform: the folks pushing the 'urban' ('totalitarian', etc, pick favourite term) model of civilization cannot really ever let go of the dream of the total annihilation of the 'rural' model.
TheNewDeal: pete_dushenski , from a book my father was reading, one does not need to fast for 24 hours to reap the benefits
TheNewDeal: chetty, they're called mexicans
chetty: and the few left are getting run out with the lawsuits
asciilifeform: eventual goal, for the state, is an endgame where you can't grow your own potato in secret any more than you can produce your own 14nm cpu.
chetty: USA doesn't really have farmers in the fields anymore
usagi: Rome once tried to raise taxes on farmers to something like 100%. Farmers responded by abandoning their fields.
asciilifeform: if something gets in the way of this business model - in usa or elsewhere - terminator.
asciilifeform: usagi: at present, they have a very lucrative business (in usa) of filing mass lawsuits against folks on whose property their product ends up, through whatever means. hence the unprofitability of 'terminator'
chetty: <usagi> Thanks, I was looking at monsanto the other day actually and according to them at least, they don't produce "terminator seeds".// YET
usagi: Thanks, I was looking at monsanto the other day actually and according to them at least, they don't produce "terminator seeds". http://www.monsanto.com/newsviews/pages/terminator-seeds.aspx
chetty: <asciilifeform> a historical annoyance, for all forms of state, is that folks can, in general, grow food without asking it permission first.//+++++
chetty: asciilifeform, I still dont care to eat 'unknown' stuff. THe way they go about creating those things is insanity
asciilifeform: a historical annoyance, for all forms of state, is that folks can, in general, grow food without asking it permission first.
asciilifeform: chetty: even with the poison, to approach something like the lethality of the mass automobile would be quite a feat. the more interesting aspect of present-day 'gmo' is geopolitical ('terminator seed', etc.)
chetty: asciilifeform, yup, and that one is bad enough, the unkinown ones are scary
asciilifeform: chetty: speaking here of the one incontrovertible engineered effect (augmented tolerance for herbicides, pesticides)
chetty: <asciilifeform> there is only, at present, 'foods optimized to resist gargantuan quantities of herbicide on the field.'// actually I dont think they much have a clue all the effects of the 'engineering' they been up to
thestringpuller: maybe after I finish the visualizer
pete_dushenski: thestringpuller: i say you start your own blog. super easy to do. then you can be the home of #b-a comics!
thestringpuller: and you can be the publisher
thestringpuller: i can write a few scripts and then my buddy can draw frames
thestringpuller: pete_dushenski: aight, nubbins can be the comic editor
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: noose is traditionally reusable
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: i wonder what the noose did for the rope industry...
asciilifeform: electric chair, meanwhile, did its fair bit to delay the adoption of alternating current mains (just like its inventor, edison, wanted it to. though he would've like to delay it forever.)
asciilifeform: if things had gone slightly differently, we might be debating whether medicine ought to make use of hypodermics, even today.
asciilifeform: story time. the appearance of the mass-produced hypodermic needle in 19th c. came in time for the peculiar debate in usa re: 'humane' methods of execution. poison injected via hypodermic (today's fashion) was proposed. rejected at the insistence of the medical world - they argued, probably correctly, that it would scare off folks from agreeing to be injected with anything. (eventually electric chair was adopted.)
pete_dushenski: iirc le putin is banning gmo crud in his fair land, if the sanctions aren't doing it first
pete_dushenski: therefore having an issue with the use of "gmo" is akin to having an issue with a "president" who could be a figure skating soccer mascot, but isn't
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: for any other application, you need a total ability to piss on patents - backed up with thermonukes. a la ussr.
pete_dushenski: surely not the only possible application of genetic modification, just the only one anyone is bothering with
pete_dushenski: the term is associated with the profit-oriented, risk-burying activities of megacorp abc
pete_dushenski: sure, foods have always been tinkered with by man, but introducing scorpion and jellyfish genes into grains is something else entirely
asciilifeform: or say, go and fix RuBisCO, world's most inefficient enzyme, bottleneck in photosynthesis. then grow enough on garden plot to feed entire street. destroy land/wealth equivalency, mass chaos, good times.
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: that'd be the tomacco you're looking for
asciilifeform: people debate 'gmo food' as if i can go and buy, e.g., tomato plant that expresses caffeine, etc
asciilifeform: there is only, at present, 'foods optimized to resist gargantuan quantities of herbicide on the field.'
asciilifeform: gmo foods << a term annoying as all hell. there are no 'gmo foods ☟︎
pete_dushenski: https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B8nhAlfIk3QIbGFzOXF5UUN3N2c/edit << taleb on gmo foods and precautionary principle
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pete_dushenski: i drank coffee too
pete_dushenski: deezy is funnier than dizzy
pankkake: wait, how is that word spelt
pankkake: I feel more deezy than hungry
pete_dushenski: pankkake: i was never much good at it myself but tried again a few weeks ago and breezed through 24 hours. no sweat.
assbot: Pushing the soft tender flesh of a friend against the sharp rotating blades of the immutable machine. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: mp lists derps, mpex servers go offline, mpex servers come back online, nobody wants to do series a anymoar. the lyf&tymes. << is it already the third generation? like http://trilema.com/2014/pushing-the-soft-tender-flesh-of-a-friend-against-the-sharp-rotating-blades-of-the-immutable-machine/#footnote_3_56091 ?
pankkake: tried fasting, I don't take it well
pete_dushenski: search. even if you have to start from scratch, better to give your kids that than australianism or w/e
pete_dushenski: cazalla: pete_dushenski, "Yes, dear People Of The World, you belong to your family, your faith, and your traditions, not your ?nation.? Where else does this exist than perhaps countries such as Japan? Families have been destroyed, faith abandoned, very little tradition left. What's left but nationalism? (I started to fall into this trap). << that's sorta teh point of their nefarious exercise. what's left is your own
pete_dushenski: if anyone else has seen medical literature supporting the theory that fasting is effective for cancer treatment and prevention, feel free to toss it in the contravex comments section