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mircea_popescu: now allow me to quote from my own recensy :
mircea_popescu: you absolutely muyst see this film. the italian renaissance is important particularly because they peddle such exceptionaly clear, deep reaching intuitions.
decimation: most of the actual farmers I have met in the us are people - they can machine, weld, assemble own parts from scrap
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it is impossible to have rural nonsimpletonism also for fundamental reasons.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: why did the rulers of ussr, china, etc. push so aggressively for mechanized agriculture? to free the plow-pullers from their toil so they can watch opera? << for efficiency.
decimation: it seems to me that the self sufficiency is more threatening to the omni-state
asciilifeform: if we actually get the tech for rural non-simpletonism (keep own pigs -and- bake own 14nm cores) - we'll learn
mircea_popescu: (as to the other point, the orbital spybots are a crapshot. earth based antenna is obv the right approach to the problem)
asciilifeform: are these entirely separable?
mircea_popescu: this is untrue, it only looks similar because they're too far away.
mircea_popescu: the hayseeds imagine the urban despisement of their simpletonism is the same as the utopian hatred of their self sufficiency.
assbot: Space Based Space Surveillance - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
asciilifeform: (how many of the latter still work - a different question)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: the folks pushing the 'urban' ('totalitarian', etc, pick favourite term) << these seriously aren't equivalent.
mircea_popescu: obviously a car without an engine will continue to be a car without an engine for as long as hills and people willing to push can be found.
mircea_popescu: of course it will continue. it will continue not to work lol.
decimation: "if we can't bring everyone up to your level then we will tear you down"
asciilifeform: unattainable goal << their modus operandi is to cripple people in any available way, to inject 'relevancy.' no reason to think this won't continue with better tech.
decimation: re: gov't control: witness the usg attempting to "control" "guns"
asciilifeform wonders when ocean fiber reamplifiers will begin to include a few kg of trotyl with motion fuse, for meddlesome buggers
mircea_popescu: yet lucifer still doth try to fly.
decimation: the "space fence", transmitter blasted nearly 1 megawatt skyward to 'ping' off satellites
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: eventual goal, for the state, is an endgame where you can't grow your own potato in secret any more than you can produce your own 14nm cpu. << eventual endgame, for the utopian socialist/nazist state, as for any utopian/figment of imagination, is human relevancy.
decimation: Due to resource constraints caused by sequestration, Air Force Space Command officials have directed the 21st Space Wing to prepare to discontinue operations at the Air Force Space Surveillance System by Oct. 1
assbot: Air Force Space Surveillance System - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform im sure it's in the sub ed in colleges everywhere.
asciilifeform: decimation: or recall the chinese sub that test-fired ballistic rockets off the california coast recently.
decimation: said Lt. Col. Tom Crosson, a Pentagon spokesman. ?We respect the freedom of all nations, as reflected in international law, to operate military vessels beyond the territorial seas of other nations.?
mircea_popescu: a war is won by a) making fat targets that b) the enemy tries to take out but c) fails.
assbot: Pentagon: Russian Spy Ship, Tug Operating Near U.S. | Washington Free Beacon
decimation: asciilifeform: usg opts to allow the russian navy to exist in international waters: http://freebeacon.com/national-security/pentagon-russian-spy-ship-tug-operating-near-u-s/
asciilifeform: for the 1000 ships tactic, the vessels must be properly autonomous
asciilifeform: fix RuBisCO, from its current ~2% efficiency to something like 50+ - and now you needn't the massive resupply points that make fat targets.
mircea_popescu: so does any pirate. what of it ? claim is one thing.
asciilifeform: interesting fact, i think we might have spoken of it before - usg claims extraterritorial jurisdiction over... all ships.
mircea_popescu: handwaved as "well if there's too many subs to track then that says all we wanted to know anyway rite ?"
mircea_popescu: it's not currently able to handle massed targets well. this is, and has been, long known documented weakness
decimation: heh yeah that's a good point ascii
asciilifeform: might want to wait for 'SOSUS' to finish falling apart before setting sail on microsubs
mircea_popescu: for this reason, 2 knots is fine.
mircea_popescu: there's nothing to do submerged anyway. the only real reason to move is abvout the same as getting new ips, ie, avoid the enemy.
asciilifeform: you can charge inductively under the sea, but parasitic currents are a drag
decimation: batteries still suck though
decimation: note that if you want go at any reasonable speed you must be on the surface, as ascii said
mircea_popescu: decimation i tell you, if the tesla experiment works out we're going to see subs.
asciilifeform: there's two basic types of 'permission' - one where you can, without permission, but might catch some lead; and one where you actually can't ('promise vs. protocol')
mircea_popescu: "yes you may gather together to overthrow the state, just as long as you get an approval form stamped by said state"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: a historical annoyance, for all forms of state, is that folks can, in general, grow food without asking it permission first. <<< this brings to mind the ridiculous "permit to assemble" device.
mircea_popescu: no, srsly. controlling masturbation in little girls was much more a priority in victorian england that in teh case of boys
mircea_popescu: kuzetsa indeed, and ironically i suspect it's exactly for this reason.
asciilifeform: today she'd own one of those radio-controlled insertables.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform teacher rubbing vulva on corners is no indication of an absence of hands, pockets or brain.
kuzetsa: asciilifeform: women's clothing tends not to have many pockets :(
asciilifeform: nubbins`: teacher had no pockets? or, no hands ?
nubbins`: not sure if this was autoerotic or candida
mircea_popescu: people'd have been sticking cunt drawings on her back for the rest of her life.
mircea_popescu: too easy to bully.
mircea_popescu: see, a teacher like that'd have never survived in mp's school.
nubbins`: fwiw she used to grind her vulva on the corners of desks when helping students
mircea_popescu: now wtf sense does that make ?
mircea_popescu: nubbins` no cunts tho ?
mircea_popescu: meanwhile at lulzranch : carnivores having well developed teeth is in no way a predictor of their preference in eating meat over say photosynthesis.
asciilifeform: this applies just as easily to the nominally 'proper' education (average peon has very little use for, e.g. arithmetic)
nubbins`: these were put on the classroom bulletin board for the next few weeks
nubbins`: once in sixth grade, our teacher made us draw cocks for homework
mircea_popescu: something being asserted by a state sponsored "ed" program of any kind is more a predictor of the something being wrong than right.
mircea_popescu: yeah, made by the same people, with the same political aggenda, and with the same utter ignorance and disrespect for observable reality.
kuzetsa: colleges have sex ed and related programs too, not just primary schools
nubbins`: how about the marijuana supports terr.. oh, wait
mircea_popescu: i've yet to see a psa "ed" effort that was accurate in details.
mircea_popescu: i couldn't begin to give less of a shit about what sex "ed" programs say there, wherever that is.
kuzetsa: mircea_popescu: I've seen quite a lot, but even if that wasn't the case, the sex ed programs here don't promote fallacious negative images about people's sexuality because of genital shape
thestringpuller: we'll sign da papers tomorrow!
kuzetsa: mircea_popescu: the size of the folds of ones labia is not directly proportional to sexual activity, but only differs with natural variation from person to person... your logic is invalid for calling that slutty... or is this just your headcanon for that particular pony? in which case, I agree, she's awful
nubbins`: mp the floating one w/ the rainbow hair is probably the most represented in cosplay etc
asciilifeform had occasion to go to a local electronics store a few days ago, '3d printers' were displayed right next to ordinary ones.
mircea_popescu: only actual slut in the bunch.
mircea_popescu: so who's the deep purple one in the middle ?
asciilifeform: probably being '3d printed' to order even as we speak.
kuzetsa: ^ yes, they would
asciilifeform: people would fuck their own severed heads if they could.
kuzetsa: hmm? tumblr pronz and fleshlights? why not both -- http://31.media.tumblr.com/72a9bdc2edcfc228a083bd0fd397c711/tumblr_n3edll7WSz1sp1w56o1_1280.jpg
asciilifeform: when the last u.s. boat hits the bottom, the scrapyards, or the chinese auction block - we'll find out whether the 'seastead' folks are serious.
mircea_popescu: so composed out of thermal electro plant, battery recharge stations and a fleet of subs...
mircea_popescu: and im not sure who can afford to piss off a nation of submarineers, but it wouldn't be the us.
mircea_popescu: if they can do it with the teslas it has impact.
mircea_popescu: let there be electric recharge stations on the ocean floor.
mircea_popescu: tell you what : a current car spends 90% of time in the garage. fu that.
asciilifeform: the same kind of tech problem as the absence of pocket laser pistol.
mircea_popescu: this is a tech problem.
asciilifeform: (given current battery tech, this is unlikely to change)
asciilifeform: a non-nuke sub spends 90+% of time on the surface.
mircea_popescu: well, lettuce see. the submarine is submerged. it does not care about "weather" in either fluid sense. with the new fleshlights and tumblr pr0nz... i defy you to find a bunch of 20somethings whose current life would be differen if they were subbed.
mircea_popescu: !up tylander
asciilifeform: (mr mold on the 'seasteading' concept. http://unqualified-reservations.blogspot.com/2009/05/democraphobia-goes-slightly-viral.html)
asciilifeform: eed to love the sea. Spend a little time with Moitessier, Slocum, and the like; read this fine collection, and possibly this (pretty much all of Jonathan Raban's books are good); etc, etc. Yes, I'm aware that seasteading is not yachting. I'm aware that no one intends to take their floating poles around Cape Horn. But you are still at sea, and a subject of Neptune you remain.'
asciilifeform: 'Defined in these terms, when you move onto a floating pole somewhere in the ocean, the first effect on your freedom is a massive decline. You have sworn fealty to King Neptune. Neptune accepts your service, as he has accepted so many before you. His court is glorious, his riches are infinite, his territory is vast. But Neptune is a stern and capricious lord. To live at sea, you need not just love liberty. You n
mircea_popescu: it's not that familiar to me, i'm a sf noob/ignoramus :D
asciilifeform: we could be there already, but somehow it appears that most people don't like the sea very much.
mircea_popescu: leaving the landspace to be inhabited by the proles, toiling in the mines and sub factories under the carcinogenic sun