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asciilifeform: mod6: it's a 'damocle's sword' sort of existence, if/when it folds, may well end up in a conventional one again.
mod6: busy. took a vacation. needed to think about things. mainly about my tarpit problems; still a problem circa november of last year.
asciilifeform: ( and, recall, when trb is verifying , all net processing grinds to a halt )
asciilifeform: or mod6 let's give it a few min
mod6: was stuck on 449 for a bit tho.
lobbesbot: mod6: Sent 3 hours and 6 minutes ago: <BingoBoingo> the links to your pizarro banners appear to all be 404 on mod6.net, is there any way you could assemble all the banners together in a blog post or something?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: last time this q was raised, asciilifeform sat and wrote in fact 80% of a 'tmsr node explorer' proggy, to try an' find 'where are the humans' instead of continuing to rely on chance. but never got chance to finish.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Apparently now blocks have a size and a stripped size. Looking for a raw stripped 450 in the wild
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: quite likely, if you were to try an' reprocess that turd into a trb-edible block, you will end with a perma-wedged node.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: btw if you haven't noticed, that block aint edible, it's a MB and half !!
BingoBoingo: After a long stretch of not needing to give a day or two and seeing the whole trb-iverse visible from my chair stuck on the same block, I figure why not try to forcefeed the problem block
asciilifeform: always did the 'let's give it a day or 3' thing
asciilifeform: ( it's either that or there's a 3000km spool randomly sitting in brazil , that it goes through !! )
asciilifeform: girlattorney: i'm quite certain presently that you're right, and the packets from south a. go through north a. always. simply based on delay measurements to date.
girlattorney: (a direct IP route without hops on NA)
asciilifeform: this may be so . and given the delay b/w e.g. piz & europistan, i'm quite certain the packets go a few undocumented 'extra' 1000 km .
asciilifeform: girlattorney: there's supposedly a fiber from brazil to portugal, iirc, but still owned by reich-controlled conglomerate afaik.
asciilifeform: girlattorney: correct. in usa there are a great number of 'televison'-flavoured nominally ip-based services, and they mostly do not use the actual net at all, but instead connect to a cabinet in the isp's local house.
girlattorney: but then when you go outside, you instantly go from a 10 lanes road to a single lane road
asciilifeform: when you get out of the reich space, it begins to very much matter where you are vis-a-vis your peer.
asciilifeform: piz has a 200Mb pipe, and on some days it is quite crowded.
girlattorney: if i can ask, what is the oversell rate of a pizarro grade isp?
girlattorney: 100 a month is too much, im in the 20 range atm
asciilifeform: in most places, a trb-grade box leases for equiv. of maybe 100 $ (usa) .
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-30 13:40:12 girlattorney: i was trying to moving it on a better colo and left everything off for a while
asciilifeform: girlattorney: usg takes the 'rats in a barrel' approach to ipv4, they hog 80+% of the ip space and wait for the remaining people to choke from crowding and eventually submit to centralized control
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-21 00:00:24 asciilifeform: ( often enuff there's a concealed -- if not always well-concealed -- roundtrip to london / washington, sitting in 'between austria and switzerland' etc )
snsabot: Logged on 2019-06-25 16:35:23 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: usg ministry of lulz is trying to push usgtronic 'pki' bgp. so, 1st gotta 'make weather', vandalize a bit, drum up interest.
asciilifeform: girlattorney: presently -- correct. washington is continuously trying to push a washingtonized pseudo-bgp 'replacement' but yet not much uptake.
girlattorney: is not like DNS where there is a precise hierarchy, correct?
asciilifeform: girlattorney: the major weak point is propagation from miners, who are living in own parallel chinese universe and between whom and trb there is a thick layer of garbage.
girlattorney: so as long as trb doesn't care about the peers, and there isn't a single point of failure (aka DNS and root servers) we are sound, correct?
girlattorney: in particular i'm referring about BGP hijacking and the general fact that IANA is a third party of a government, that a day could decide to limit the user freedom
girlattorney: i still have the iotop stats, and will make a post somewhere soon with them
girlattorney: then there is also 40 gb from a romanian IP
asciilifeform: girlattorney: i have 1 going on a residential pipe since '15, but it is a rather costly pipe
girlattorney: i also had a nice graph made with darkstat about the peers that helped most on syncing from 0
girlattorney: i was trying to moving it on a better colo and left everything off for a while
girlattorney: I have read the log for a couple of weeks then now logged in to make other questions
diana_coman: for the dump I did first a sed for botname and then restore into db
asciilifeform: at some pt we will have to think of a way to mechanize these.
asciilifeform: that way we will never be without a bot which echoes when asked
asciilifeform: diana_coman: i think it needs a green light from mp_en_viaje
asciilifeform distinctly recalls a thread where asciilifeform was unable to try some heathen proggy because 'the correct' tcl would not build in his gentoo. but sadly cannot find in o(1)..
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-29 18:47:31 asciilifeform: with implementation weighing a few dozen kB.
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-30#1932188 << my objection to e.g. tcl isn't in 'martian syntax', but that it's a titanic pile of ??? in c, exactly like python, perl, et al
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-30 06:59:30 mp_en_viaje: trying to maybe gwt out of it, hence the work to spec "blog" in the abstract ; but mp-wp stack works for trilema TODAY ; i ain't taking a break from publishing untul "better world". god knows the week long #trilema outage was long enough.
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-30#1932187 << loox, btw, that diana_coman has a working mirror ! so neveragain 'ooops no l0gz!', ha.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-29 09:57:25 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-29#1931848 << this character mentioned 4 or 5 times recently... but does it have a name ? ( i admit, when 1st saw picture, assumed it was a young photo-shy hanbot )
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-29#1931860 << weird shit.... apparently i was looking at a stale page. sorry about that.
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-30#1932251 << yes ; but a) that's not chinese paper and b) i dunno what naval warfare this is from, but the "fired and nothing happened" seems to confirm my comment.
diana_coman: asciilifeform: can I get a raw dump of the logs to feed the bot or how best to sync?
asciilifeform: re banners , i expected that folx will want to put own , rather than use mine. ( plus there's no practical way to put any such thing in a v genesis ) so i omitted'em
asciilifeform: ( and if anyone want to make a moar readable one -- plz ! )
BingoBoingo: !Qlater tell mod6 the links to your pizarro banners appear to all be 404 on mod6.net, is there any way you could assemble all the banners together in a blog post or something?
BingoBoingo: "Creo que va a venir el préstamo del FMI, pero estarán esperando el respaldo por parte de la oposición" << Argentard of apparent import in the Argentardocracy discussing pending, yet to be revealed currency exchange controls. Dude just assumes more dole fodder is on the way so long as Argentines all agree to the right ritual handwashing.
asciilifeform: if you get something other than a working www & bot, turn on the debug knobs.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-30 04:19:52 spyked: re. http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-25#1931011 <-- /me has been thinking a bit about this after reading the discussion, and it occurs to me that one of the reasons that might keep people from signing items is that there's no way to "unsign" them. nor that is desirable imho, but "what if" some sign piece of coad turns out to burn your house to the ground. in any case, this reveals to me the (
diana_coman: hm, in better & unexpected news, a fresh last-ditch try seems to possibly work - with precisely flask as lobbes's (http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-29#1932146)
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-30 04:12:47 spyked: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-29#1931955 <-- recall, /me already wrote a toy prototype as his introduction to ada. other than the fact that it looks noobish and requires work to integrate with the c-isms, writing logger on top of it would also require something along the lines of a. mod_adalisp and b. handling other wwwistic s
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-30#1932159 << mod_xyz is only really needed with ancient horrors like php, which otherwise sink 1e9 cpu cycles on revving up the interpreter with ~each~ www req. for items that serve themselves up on a port, dun need mod_xyz, can simply fwd port
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-30 04:09:03 spyked: and the only *quick* solution that I can think of here is signing the binturd that I've been using for the last few years; if anyone has a better idea, pl0x to chime in
lobbes: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-30#1932170 << I mean cuntoo exactly. testbed is the exact iron in this post
mp_en_viaje: whoopsy, lost coverage there a second crossing the transfagarasan
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-29 21:28:21 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the chinese can show up with the slave galleons and start loadin' whenever they feel like. ( and it is a deep enigma, far above asciilifeform's paygrade, to explain wtf they're waiting for )
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-29 21:22:37 asciilifeform: atm i have a distinct unpleasant feeling that the ratchet presently does not ratchet very well.
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-29#1932041 << i'm sure there's a library/tool for this/that.
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-29#1932035 << possibly the case indeed ; but we gotta start actually documenting it with a view to ever fixing it, there's no way the fuck out alresfy.
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-29#1932021 << she has a point i nthat "version numbers" are utterly meaningless (which is why one's 2 something, the other 0 sometiing, yet used in same pile). all that matters is vintage, like in wines, DOC for code.
mp_en_viaje: trying to maybe gwt out of it, hence the work to spec "blog" in the abstract ; but mp-wp stack works for trilema TODAY ; i ain't taking a break from publishing untul "better world". god knows the week long #trilema outage was long enough.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-29 18:27:23 diana_coman: to cite from flask's description, for full allergy-triggers: A micro-framework for Python based on Werkzeug, Jinja 2 and good intentions
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-29 13:10:29 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I'm working on organizing a break down of the situation. It's a very map-heavy exercise
spyked: diana_coman, yeah, well I suppose that's another reason why the manifest mechanism is useful: if I signed a patch P at t1, and later I found out that it does something stupid or subtly malicious or whatever; then at t2 I can sign the "inverse" to P and give context to that signature in the manifest (whoever tries to press that has to know why particularly I made some change)
diana_coman: re logger atm I am undecided as my options so far seem to be: 1. do another round of madness with flask until it works on this old (but stable at least) centos 2. replicate environment aka burn down centos and have fun installing remotely on the machine cuntoo 3. simply run irssi (as I'm otherwise running this code anyway as my client) with logging to db into an mp-wp database and be done with it (possibly each line a one comment - will end
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-25 13:25:11 diana_coman: but it's a more difficult thing to catch as it were: as above, it's unclear if "no signature" is a sign of "seeking to hide imperfection" or of "no read" or wtf already
spyked: re. http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-25#1931011 <-- /me has been thinking a bit about this after reading the discussion, and it occurs to me that one of the reasons that might keep people from signing items is that there's no way to "unsign" them. nor that is desirable imho, but "what if" some sign piece of coad turns out to burn your house to the ground. in any case, this reveals to me the (
spyked: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-29#1931955 <-- recall, /me already wrote a toy prototype as his introduction to ada. other than the fact that it looks noobish and requires work to integrate with the c-isms, writing logger on top of it would also require something along the lines of a. mod_adalisp and b. handling other wwwistic s
spyked: and the only *quick* solution that I can think of here is signing the binturd that I've been using for the last few years; if anyone has a better idea, pl0x to chime in
spyked: problem remains one of bootstrapping: iirc sbcl requires a working lisp in order to be built.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-23 05:47:14 mircea_popescu: this understanding is current as of cca 2016. meanwhile we agreed that because a) it is preferrable to work with republican rather than imperial items and to prevent more imperial seepage than needed ; and because b) there's no limit to signature count as per long standing observations and discussions (with a very early asciilifeform cca 2013 maybe) then therefore the correct approach is to sign things early, t
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-29 18:32:30 asciilifeform: iirc lobbes actually wrote a vintage-php frontend . but bot is still py and uses same spittoon
lobbes: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-29#1931971 << not yet; I have a vintage php search for the classic #e logs, but that is all atm
asciilifeform: trinque: ave1 even made a working gnat, but it doesn't know how to do preemtible threads.
trinque: cool, got a big'n and small otw, arrives tomorrow
asciilifeform: a++ trinque , if you bake this, will be much appreciated .
asciilifeform: trinque do you want a rk btw ? i have some spares here, can send you
asciilifeform: i was orig. planning to attempt a cuntoo for 'm' but then barfed
asciilifeform only ever built embeddeds (e.g. for 'm', for 'pogo', etc) via 'buildroot', never made a gentoo for'em
trinque: nah, the one where you can tell portage to blast its built-proggie output to a new root
trinque: possible avenue of porting is to stand up an amd64 cuntoo, and then use crossdev to rebuild all ebuilds at a specified root dir
trinque: trying to learn in my old age to take half a smell of the market before hauling off and building something
asciilifeform: trinque: is there a substantial missing piece i'm unaware of ?
asciilifeform: trinque: well i'm about to sew together a 15 unit arm64 cluster.
lobbesbot: trinque: Sent 6 hours and 25 minutes ago: <asciilifeform> didja ever post a arm64 cuntoo ?
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-29 15:27:44 asciilifeform: !Q later tell trinque didja ever post a arm64 cuntoo ?
trinque: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-29#1931886 << didn't, and I'm a little hesitant to continue on in that vein before making sure I know what the desirable product is.
BingoBoingo: A labor movement that wants the factories to leave has no use.
asciilifeform: waitasec, so, what , BingoBoingo could walk in, buy 0.38, sell for 0.98 immediately, and come out with a wad of phree green ?
BingoBoingo: The blackboard rate today hit 0.38/0.98 compra/venta. Part of this is intentional monetary policy re: "fuck Argentina", but there being less distance between zero and compra than compra and venta is a fairly new phenomenon.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: picture if you had a herd of worm-ridden cows that produced 0 milk, and meat that no one would eat even in gulag. how to make any money from them ? one way is to keep feeding'em and 'financialize' them, borrow against'em from idiots, 'leverage', etc