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mircea_popescu: i think someone put "my dear" for "hello" in some sort of 1970s azn manual of english
mircea_popescu: lol moving up in the world.
chetty: My dear,How are you? i am a banker in the bank, i get your contact from yahoo terrorist search.Reason,i am in need of your help as a foreigner i want to transfer an abandoned $15million to your account 40% for you while 60% for me please indicate your interest for more detail.
RagnarDanneskjol wonders why help is expected during the course of normal discussion
mircea_popescu: im very helpful according to most people i know! HELPING COMES NATURALLY TO ME
xmj: note to self, ignore mircea_popescu on most any discussions as unhelpful
asciilifeform off to comes naturally
mircea_popescu: yes, not getting "it" comes naturally to me.
asciilifeform: most people, if well fed, will produce the requisite pile of shit with very little active work on their part.
mircea_popescu: science comes easy to you according to yourself, some friends that are into business and this is somehow my problem ?
xmj: entrepreneurship pays more than research (postgrad) positions
mircea_popescu: how;s that work ?
xmj: yeah, well, maybe you have no idea what you're talking about :)
mircea_popescu: yeah, well, maybe you shouldn't trust that too far then.
mircea_popescu: well, any of them actual scientists ?
xmj: all on the autistic spectrum
mircea_popescu: <xmj> To me, science comes naturally. << know anyone who actually is of this opinion ?
asciilifeform: we all like to laugh at 'witch hunt' except - we have witches. who you gonna call.
xmj: But then..
decimation: interestingly the western states that are bathed in radiation from the sun & uranium from the ground have the lowest cancer rates (yes there are confounders) http://www.cdc.gov/cancer/dcpc/data/state.htm
mircea_popescu: the typical woman female being ariana huffington.
mircea_popescu: really boring! Which is to you say, you're a typical human female."
mircea_popescu: gets the heart going. I see it has yours going, when the science was
mircea_popescu: witch-finding and crime-solving and conspiracy-theories -- that really
mircea_popescu: unnatural training is required for that. But gossiping and
mircea_popescu: blame, because witch-hunting is something the human brain does
mircea_popescu: want the cure now! And when we don't get it, we look for a witch to
mircea_popescu: "We all act as though we're immortal until we get sick, and then we
assbot: 1 results for 'married grow taller' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=married+grow+taller
asciilifeform: !s married grow taller
mircea_popescu: "experiment" studies people who already did live there. helpful o.O
mircea_popescu: "In one of the most comprehensive studies of its kind, researchers at the University of Colorado School of Medicine in partnership with the Harvard School of Global Health have found that people living at higher altitudes have a lower chance of dying from ischemic heart disease and tend to live longer than others."
assbot: High Altitude Boosts Longevity And Reduces Risk Of Dying Of Ischemic Heart Disease - Medical News Today
mircea_popescu: maybe it's the tse tse
xmj: mircea_popescu: slept ~17h tonight. slept most of yesterday... (well, powernaps in IST airport and plane)
mircea_popescu: that's the point there.
mircea_popescu: decimation: yeah that's a good point. I think the money is less important than the relative status, which is less important than just getting people to defer to their betters quickly << no, not quickly. painfully.
decimation: reminds me of teufelsberg: http://www.abandonedberlin.com/2010/06/teufelsberg-abandoned-spy-station.html
asciilifeform: decimation: who listened to dijkstra. academics - good joke. programmers - ha.
mircea_popescu: decimation: it is probably terrible to become an object of some fad among elites today << you know, i'm a poststructuralist jus' fine.
mircea_popescu: obviously thieves yea
mircea_popescu: The20YearIRCloud: i've been off reading physics articles trying to grasp things and lost the conversation << should probably be the motto of b-a
asciilifeform: 'in the better-preserved command post the destruction is substantial, and the atmosphere morose - someone tore apart the machinery, and burned the cables right where they lay - from which the walls and ceiling were covered in soot.'
decimation: except I was reading Dijkstra in "structured programming" and he wrote that it was hopeless to try to "prove" practical code. He did suggest that this is a reason for humility and simplicity.
mircea_popescu: knew a camwhore who slept with her laptop because the one time she didn't it felt snubbed and wouldn't work right the whole day.
asciilifeform: or perhaps you meant those.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i can attest the faith healing already happens, in those sad sad caves where middle aged women huddle to stroke their collective pretending to be part of civilisation.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: linked post reveals that rocket is a 'size and mass model' (i.e. dummy.)
mircea_popescu: xmj how's that go ?
asciilifeform: am is a mathematical object that can be understood through logic?'
asciilifeform: f this trend continues, we may soon see homeopathic computer repair. Perhaps it will consist of adding a virus to a program, deleting the virus, and then running the program. You may soon be able to take your laptop to a faith healer, who will lay his hands on the keyboard and pray for the recovery of the operating system. Is this the future of computing? Or can we instead build on the idea that a computer progr
asciilifeform: 'We understand automobiles. There are no homeopathic automobile repair shops, that try to repair your car by putting infinitesimal dilutions of rust in the gas tank. There are no automotive faith healers, who lay their hands on the hood and pray. People reserve such superstitions for things that they don’t understand very well, such as the human body… … Superstitions arise because we don’t understand. I
xmj: I think my brain just snowcrashed.
mircea_popescu: there's no distinguishing sufficiently advanced tech from magic, nor sufficiently decayed tech from faith.
decimation: is that a V1?
asciilifeform: lol, still on the trolley even.
mircea_popescu: http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/6738/33213654.183/0_a1ede_331c5f32_L.jpg << i like this one
mircea_popescu: more like, on the cunt.
mircea_popescu: except the crab doesn't go on the head
asciilifeform: i always use the term 'calmed down' for these people. starting from having played 'half life', where there is a scene of an einsteinesque white coated figure who gets an alien 'headcrab' jump on his head. it takes roots, he struggles for a while, then 'calms down' and ambles on as zombie. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: but if you ever wondered why towards the end of an epoch art moves from classical to trollage... well... art is a sort of societal immune system.
mircea_popescu: society in general and civilisation in particular is predicated on making sense of the world, which readily reduces to avoiding being humiliated. this is fine and dandy until it actually works.
asciilifeform spotted a cicada in garden today, and thought of mircea_popescu's post about parenting
mircea_popescu: when she's 36 she follows the workplace rules.
mircea_popescu: when she's 16, she runs out of school (for which she risks a reprimand) and hides behind the bleachers to... kiss (for which she risks quite a lot of societal shunning)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform consider the life and deeds of gabrielle, a buxom blonde girl.
mircea_popescu: (something needs to push rocks up in the air, and the space station too. what's needed to push them down ?)
mircea_popescu: there really isn't a "counterbalance" to libiod.
mircea_popescu: that seems to me a hollow analogy.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> (of what? if we knew, there'd be at least a hypothetical pill.) << the public appetite for personal humiliation decays, and with it, the possibility of life.
assbot: Logged on 29-08-2014 05:11:06; decimation: the thing is, Admiral McCain probably didn't have to issue any special instructions to 'finesse' the investigation, the investigators probably all thought it would be a brilliant plan
asciilifeform: forget who - used term 'prospiracy'
asciilifeform: no organization in the usual sense needed.
mircea_popescu: right. this was accidental, not the result of conspiraci, ie, political organising.
mircea_popescu: and the subsequent ones didn't spread out but converged ?
asciilifeform: yes, that.
mircea_popescu: where the original measurement was wildly wrong,
asciilifeform: this is why the tale should terrify people
mircea_popescu: for that matter, recall the story of the milikan pious fraud i think it was ?
mircea_popescu: no but srsly, i can see perfectly valid reasons to not trust measurements made by new guys on new tools.
mircea_popescu: decimation basically, it was a new immigrant vs old immigrant debate. the old guys had savings and wanted to keep them. the new guys had mortgages and wanted to get rid of them.
asciilifeform: to stretch the metaphor a bit, sometimes the moribund get a stay of execution, when the horde grows terminally fat before it can reach the capital.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i really don't think its as political as all that.
decimation: mongol hordes appear on the border - giving not one wit about the current power structure - and pillage as they see fit
decimation: another answer: when power is passed to the new generation, it tends to be divided rather than concentrated - in the end the franchise is extended to every human and his dog, and no one is really in charge
asciilifeform: eventually immune system collapses, the proverbial 'eastern hordes water their horses in the rhine.'
decimation: one answer: wealth and power sow the seeds of their own destruction, in the avarice and sloth of the new generations
RagnarDanneskjol: well there must be some likely culprits
decimation: plus the chinese bureaucracy lasted for hundreds of years per reboot cycle
asciilifeform: RagnarDanneskjol: i don't regard it as a proven fact that there necessarily is a 'root cause.'
decimation: heh turdolade. yeah I guess the bureaucracy really exploded with Diocletian, but things had already been going badly for at least a hundred years
RagnarDanneskjol: what do you assume to be the root cause ascii? (besides societal mental atrophy)
asciilifeform: thus far all we know is that civilizations behave like ms-winblows boxes - encrusts with turdolade until grinds to a halt, then reboot.
asciilifeform: (of what? if we knew, there'd be at least a hypothetical pill.)
decimation: decay from 'rule by men to the bureaucratic state was definitely on the list
asciilifeform: but to attribute death to the graveworms - is a mistake.
asciilifeform: they just happen to eat corpses, it's in their job description.
asciilifeform: don't blame the murder on the maggots.
decimation: asciilifeform: is the death-rattle the gridlock caused by bureaucracy replacing science?
asciilifeform: perhaps intelligent roaches or marmosets will carry out 'schwartz's' experiment after we're through.