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TheNewDeal: form is an abstract thing
BingoBoingo: TheNewDeal: Form and function aren't "things" though. Function is a requirement and form is a structure for implementation.
TheNewDeal: form and function are quite useful tools for analysis . anatomy teacher used to preach it in secondary school
BingoBoingo: Well form must always exist as a +1 onto something else to be useful.
mircea_popescu: me killing dopey-popo-plus being a fine example of exactly this.
mircea_popescu: form as used by they with a lot of substance isn't even form per se anymore.
BingoBoingo: Form is useful to a point, but by the time you take it far enough to add -ism it's gone too far.
mircea_popescu: but anyway, i'm beinf facetious for the fun of humiliating they absent third parties that believe in form and formalism.
BingoBoingo can tell it is statement season because the logs are so thin. I guess it is a consequence of so many things going on
mircea_popescu: if that isn't a disability, i dunno what is :)
BingoBoingo: xanthyos: That's an interesting take. I didn't really have much background on the stuff when I started sitting on the now apparently defunct #BitcoinBarron chan
mircea_popescu: X-Rob so you take delight in the disabilities of others ? i see how it is.
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BingoBoingo: It is amazing though how quickly the long pig can "go feral" in the wilderness, much like its namesake.
decimation: it made me unhappy to be programming C++
decimation: I was thinking about your point about how these languages put the programmer in 'jail' by separating 'language' and 'code'
asciilifeform: sizzle in comfort or on bare iron - not for the long pig to decide.
asciilifeform: decimation: these weren't designed for the comfort of the user - any more than electric chair was
decimation: I was amazed that anyone could think that it's a great idea to give up control over your software using templates written by some committee
BingoBoingo: decimation: The Problem with Java is it denies the existence of Hardware
decimation: today I was trying to wrap my head around C++ std vector libraries
BingoBoingo: It's amazing how much though that could have been the case in LISP machine world.
decimation: so that you can just spin up multiple http/db stacks simultaneously
decimation: somehow there's motivation in the 'linux' world (by that I mean redhat) to make the OS 'go away'
decimation: BingoBoingo: pre-bsd mac os was a turd
decimation: after all, wouldn't you like to tie your boot process with opaque silicon?
BingoBoingo: As notated in the logs from April - May this year after my scrotum's previous brush with illness and danger, the surprise Hearnia would be a most unwelcome guest.
asciilifeform: ah yes, the old fritz chip.
decimation: I think there's also some 'me-too'-ism with secure booting off the tpm module
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: this is not just about depriving you of knobs to turn. the hearniators must clear some ground to emplace their hearnias - this requires demolishing some very well understood, traditional widget, so that it -must be replaced, dontcha know, it's obsolete-.
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decimation: exactly the dependency issue. If you "know" what your system depends on, you can parallel-boot multiple processes simultaneously
decimation: I'm not sure it's as conspiratorial as you make out, 'people want' to have their systems boot quickly
decimation: asciilifeform: I take it you are not a 'systemd' fan?
asciilifeform: there is a concerted effort to replace certain things with... various other things.
asciilifeform: this is about microshit and usg (but i repeat myself) finally making some headway in dealing with the 'final solution' to the escapees from wintel 'problem.'
asciilifeform: this isn't about the aesthetics, either.
BingoBoingo: I mean seriously, who wants to run a *nix laptop and not play with runlevels
asciilifeform: all those things that confounded the novice, like the piles of hay confounded buridan's donkey - aren't 'choices' at all, after all.
asciilifeform: good news is - now choosing a linux distro is easier than ever before.
BingoBoingo: Any any painful techical change causing by ignoring the idiots long enough for their shit sacks to escape into the inguinal canal.
BingoBoingo: Hearnia probably ought to join the vocabulary
asciilifeform never saw them, never will see
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: A bunch of Distros have already made the transition. The surprise is people are just now bitching about this.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: yes, they want to replace init.d scripts with a hearn-style binary turd. surprised ?
decimation: re: sabu/fbi irc chat << fyi, if you are a 'hacker' and someone tells you that they can 'hack NATO', you are being played
BingoBoingo: I have to imagine it can't be a non-trivial number
lobbes: "As they watched the bonfire die down, they asked the DEA officials to estimate the value of the marijuana they had just burned. The reply: half a million dollars. The farmers had to laugh. The value of the corn that had been cut down to grow it? $32" << heh, I wonder how many farmers just keep the plants
decimation: asciilifeform: "server logs" << these are from the http referer headers?
decimation: asciilifeform: I always wondered about the rather large population of fortune tellers in Maryland. I'm glad that the state is regulating them to make them 'ok for you'.
decimation: my understanding is that NMR resolution isn't good enough to be helpful for silicon-based integrated circuitry
decimation: asciilifeform: http://amzn.com/354045277X << lol at first I was like huh? then I read comments - hilarious
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ben_vulpes: tat im inbound to the victory
BingoBoingo: !up tatinportland
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TheNewDeal: past sober... I like that mentality
tatinportland: babes In toyland
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tatinportland: unless there are more Ben's in pland
BingoBoingo: Hearn getting informed on the SPV thing: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=745631.msg8535219#msg8535219
BingoBoingo: Not to much
BingoBoingo: !up tatinportland
X-Rob: Geez, still 1500 blocks to go?
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BingoBoingo: Wait, is Doge really trading for 28 satoshis per?
X-Rob: Apocalyptic: I don't know where that doge came from. I lease my rig for doge, but I normally just convert it straight to btc.
Apocalyptic: X-Rob, isn't the doge hurting too much ?
BingoBoingo: Ah, I saw the disabled part, but had no idea wtf the site was
X-Rob: BingoBoingo: bittrex, with Unattainum saying 'DISABLED' next to it.
BingoBoingo: X-Rob: What's that a picture of?
X-Rob: Hah. mircea_popescu you may remember my diatribe about all the stupid design flaws in unattainium. I consider myself vindicated. http://i.imgur.com/HfH3kpV.png
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ben_vulpes: ;;later tell thickasthieves holla
gernika: In China there is also the concept of "face," which I guess is is sort of like a "Web of Shame."
asciilifeform: one could possibly argue re: the chinese - but people at the 'afghanistan' stage of 'civilopaedia' need a wot in just the same way that a bird needs airplane
asciilifeform: this is also applicable, in theory, to any other people who would simply hammer a wot, were they to build one, to copy exactly their existing hierarchies
asciilifeform: (as noise were it merged into theirs)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: as i understand, the chinese 'wot' is their... genealogical tree. and i'm not certain that they'd see out wot as other than noise even were they to get out of that stage. (and why ought they)
mircea_popescu: apparently nobody gave franklin the memo that said floating icebergs in the gulf of mexico = GLOBAL WARMING.
mircea_popescu: "The winter of 1783-1784. The Revolutionary War had just ended, and Benjamin Franklin was puzzling over the nation's bizarre weather. Congress had been delayed getting to Annapolis to vote for the Treaty of Paris because the Chesapeake Bay just wouldn't melt. The Mississippi River froze down to New Orleans, and ice was reported floating in the Gulf of Mexico."
assbot: Just To Let You All Know...
mircea_popescu: now we know what the jewish skirts are for,
jurov: shoulda tell mom to make me butt cover
mircea_popescu: There was once a girl from St. Cyr whose reflex reactions were queer. Her escort said, "Mable, get up off the table. That money's to pay for the beer."
mircea_popescu: <kakobrekla> http://christwire.org/2014/08/butt-covers-for-your-cat-and-dog-can-reduce-pet-homosexuality-by-43/ <<< sheeeit! if only we had known this earlier! fucking cheaper than gay rights, get them a butt hatch.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> china is imho the one likely candidate for the feat of having own isolated wot and 'getting away with it' long term. << nah, argentina in much better position.
asciilifeform: if pumped through 'google translate' - all bets are off
mircea_popescu: holy shit look at that crapolade. "problem statement. i nthe current state of social media interaction blablablabla"
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla if it has academia in the url it's respectable!
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thestringpuller: ;;later tell ThickAsThieves What are the prospects of a BTC label? I imgaine if you find a good band before they are signed...
asciilifeform: punkman: don't have the older finds handy, but i'll take a look at some point
punkman: asciilifeform: can you dig a couple more out the logs? I'll give it a go
asciilifeform: china is imho the one likely candidate for the feat of having own isolated wot and 'getting away with it' long term.
punkman: we need some chinese people in the wot
asciilifeform often finds these, but never sure if anybody gives a damn
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