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asciilifeform: but meanwhile, in ben_vulpesistan, it neversleeps!, https://archive.is/DYc5c >> 'The owner of a burrito food cart in Portland has been driven out of business by social justice warriors who accused the two white women who run the business of "cultural appropriation."'
mircea_popescu: mkay, i'm guessing that's enough for a day.
mircea_popescu: you wouldn't want to do it again. this is a cosmo kramer idea.
asciilifeform: 'Facebook is the third of what is probably a quartet (or quintet) of the destruction of the innocence of computing. First was viruses, second was malware, third is facebook. I suspect fourth will be related to control of networking itself, and fifth will be licensing of high level computer ability. But let’s not get ahead of ourselves.' << mega-lulzy, ty Framedragger
asciilifeform: the reproducible ~t~rng is a contradiction in terms.
asciilifeform: ( and then you're stuck with a prng, with the attendant consequences )
mircea_popescu: took a tree*
mircea_popescu: i think they took a up down the street
asciilifeform: jurov: not a bad idea. and maybe you'll even discover some zeroblockpadding bug, a la the dd thing
a111: Logged on 2017-05-25 17:42 asciilifeform: while we're on subj, i'll say that there is probably a good reason why most commercial faux-rng makers don't offer a sample download.
BingoBoingo: In other news negrodamus finished sync experiment a few days ago for a roughly 6 month sync time in the wild with spinning rust. Is at present mostly keeping up (i.e. 3 blocks behind atm)
asciilifeform: jurov, why didja link this, it's a turd.
asciilifeform: now if this were a comp, WITH A KEYBOARD, that ran for month+ on 1 battery charge -- then yes, it'd have a point
trinque: only use I'd have for such a thing
trinque: not a bad resolution for fonts.
NoMyName: $700 for a pad with one function?
asciilifeform: jurov: i have a large collection of various einktrons
BingoBoingo: But yes, I am indeed not a bot.
NoMyName: Ok, I know what a lemma is, I have had the occasional quandry, I don't know what the three premises are?
NoMyName: otay, that was not a bot answer...
BingoBoingo: I am a man! I am a newsman!
NoMyName: I have seen your name everywhere in the blogs of record. Bingo! Boingo! Are you a person, or a bot?
NoMyName: My daddy is dead, but he was a very fine doctor, and taught me the value of knowing things.
mircea_popescu: the principle is solid : the fact that someone from stanford published a shitty piece means THE WHOLE USG is now negrated, if there's not a lower node to negrate.
mircea_popescu: "water -- literally falls from the sky, and he BUYS it." afghan would have a lulz.
asciilifeform: cryptocompromise as a 'manageable risk' under any scenario is imho lunacy.
mircea_popescu: i'm somewhere with a laptop.
asciilifeform: but will observe that both sellers of rng bits, and esp. buyers, are a little 'off their rockers' imho.
trinque: just sounds like it comes from a notion of flat social topology
trinque: asciilifeform: how do you square that with other threads where "will someday be rare to own a computer"
shinohai: That entire site is a lulz farm, and was proffered as the easiest way to do gpg on reddit darknet,makets page
mircea_popescu: point remains, you can watch some guy gettiung a lapdance for free. same here, won't have your name on it, that's all.
mod6: but it's crossed my mind a number of times since i started testing these things.
asciilifeform: lap dance works on 1 lap at a time
mircea_popescu is vaguely amused at how wanna-be ronin slavegirl imagines "there's a lo of cryptocurrencies now". ie, there's n oconspiracy needed, the poor idiots will simply HALLUCINATE the poor idiot world. be it there or not.
mod6: and ask like that might never catch a bid, but market will meet somewhere, will sell into highest bids, etc.
trinque: can't find original, just a ref
a111: Logged on 2016-09-10 03:53 mircea_popescu: well if it's discussed with slavegirls and a great pink fuzzy harem with soft velvety marbles and foggy complex pools... then yes@
trinque: thread's been had a couple times, ^
trinque putting a great deal of thought into the payment thing precisely because that sort of side channel is likely to be the unwashed masses way to pay, forevermore
asciilifeform: 'A Million Random Digits with 100,000 Normal Deviates' (dead tree!)
mircea_popescu: might be a market in "Certified entropy" simply because of how bureaucracy works.
mod6: there is a bar to entry. the bar is N btc high.
asciilifeform: while we're on subj, i'll say that there is probably a good reason why most commercial faux-rng makers don't offer a sample download. ☟︎
mod6: well, i figured, im not really sure I do this anyway, but lets make a market. i'll say .1, he'll say .0001 and somewhere, we hvae price discovery.
mircea_popescu: could take the logs and sha them a billion times, whatever.
mod6: maybe charge by the byte, or jiggabyte. something. have to figure out what the market is willing to bear as a price tho.
mircea_popescu: might work as a bot service. esp once trinque finishes payments.
a111: Logged on 2017-05-25 13:58 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-25#1661592 << not in principle. maybe the reserve is a little high, maybe the concept is too soon ; certainly he can't pay and it's somewhat dubious to explain why he should. but hey, gotta start sometime/somehow/somewhere.
mod6: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-25#1661674 << was thinking there, for those who would want it, a model where guy asks for N bytes of entropy via FG. would generate N bytes. base64 encode the binary entropy file (similar to trb deps), place the sha512 output hash of the base64 decoded file along with the ent & dieharder output in a clearsigned message, then PGP encrypt it to the requester. ☝︎
asciilifeform: actually i have dulap log on dedicated display, and every phuctor hit in l0gz is a hit from same ip, belonging to 'archive'.
asciilifeform: e.g. every time a phuctor hit is in the l0gz
asciilifeform: next you're in a new continent, jurov , try it from hotel terminal
asciilifeform: ( incidentally every time i hear about it, i'm a little surprised that it still exists )
asciilifeform: jurov: make sure to try it from a clean browser and previously-unjurov'd ip addr
a111: Logged on 2017-05-25 14:39 diana_coman: oooh, yeah, did that playing with water and ~all pots and pans and anything else we could find, yeah; and he plays a LOT with water & ice, pouring&smashing etc
jhvh1: asciilifeform: Error: "yandex" is not a valid command.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu is a winner
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mircea_popescu: i'm not, nor do i give a shit. but by some definitions of "public" (ie, i'm lazy, let it come to me) fg is also not public. whereas what people are working on is not really the public's problem anyway.
asciilifeform: i wouldn't. for all i know, mircea_popescu works on it, in his dirigible, and never said a word.
asciilifeform: but thread wasn't re 'anything'. was re, say, 10,000 hrs, of asciilifeform -- ain't worth , per market, what a livable boat costs. whereas theoretically could kit build.
mircea_popescu: and i've yet to meet a rich dude who had kids for which i'd pay to own what he paid to build.
mircea_popescu: also, if your spare time is not monetizable you are not a person and don't belong. i don't mean here, i mean living, at all. #1 reason to off self.
mircea_popescu: but this is just a different kind of -ev, no more.
mircea_popescu: yeah, there are exceptions, such as notably "trainer items". you can buy sportscar kits these days for instancer, so rich kids can graduate from getting lego set for 6th birthday to getting a carbox on their 16th. by the time they get it together they have a permit too.
asciilifeform: incidentally pretty good analogy -- a handful of very rich ~and eccentric~ folx had personally-owned pdp8, say; but many in fact thought 'computer is neato, but only good for accounting, i'll buy one for office', just as mircea_popescu immediately went 'yacht is for whoring, wtf, idiot, to think of living in one'
asciilifeform: a kit build ( and oughta be interpreted broadly, e.g. gentoo entirely counts ) lets folx convert their otherwise not-monetizable spare time, into a product, which in many cases they could never otherwise own
mircea_popescu: if i don't have to know anything specific about you, it's not a restaurant, it's a diner ; it's not a tailor, it's a pret a porter ; and it's not a skillful product, it's an item that's not worth building.
asciilifeform: ever seen a 'heathkit' ?
asciilifeform: of building items that will still work 100yrs from now when 'west' is a bad memory -- also.
jurov: let's bikeshed this. does tmsr have a flag to put on the dirigible?
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> the wood that a proper boat supposedly 'must' be made of. << There are good reasons for this must. Things grow in water that eat lesser woods. Alternative is PT boat that is going to leach preservative everywhere and then get ate by the sea
mircea_popescu: the principal advantage of the garbage raft is that the broken outer cells (and they will break) provide a sort of damming for the inner cells. might be worth money, this.
mircea_popescu: "hey, baby, what you doin' sat night ? wanna come to YACHT ?!?!" she's more likely to break her pomodoro dinner date to go on a yacht than vice versa. then it's a "well, i'm horny and there's only one dick here, i guess i like this guy. else i'm a whore. i'm totally not a whore though, so i really like him."
mircea_popescu: cuz the poor man's mating strategy includes a "cop", which wortks by rarity, and an "isolate", which the ocean makes available.
asciilifeform: actually i gotta agree with mircea_popescu on this last one, i do not properly grasp why it is popular as a pleasure vehicle
mircea_popescu: i turn down more invitations to yacht!!! than i accept, by a large margin, and if i go it's cuz the girls and little more. who the fuck in his right mind wants to be on the ocean idly like that. island ++ lawds have mercy.
mircea_popescu: dude i wouldn't give less of a shit, for all i care every two bit social worker case can make a pile of garbage / empty bottles and go sailing into the sunset. what's it to me ?
asciilifeform: this however is a political thread : it is not because of mircea_popescu's deep study of plastics, and the strain forces exerted by the sea, that he takes his position, but because This Has Always Been And Therefore Must Always Be .
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you're taking a child's view of water. it's not the fucking proofing that's at issue, is structural problems induced by having a force vectror that's substantial, constant, and randomly changing direction. that's why metal excels, it can take random load like that. plastic can't. wood soprt-of can, maybe.
mircea_popescu: a boat a certain size has a certain mass. this is not related to anything else.
asciilifeform: not because steel endures in water ( wouldn't for a week, without plastic paint )
mircea_popescu: just consider the sad circumstance that you don't like x because of y property you happen to have heard of ; but you have no clue z has problem p. as a for instance, nobody seems to have ever mentuioned to you that plastic boats have a very fixed "open sea" time. and if you knew what it was you wouldn't like it. which is why rich people still buy wood yachts for pleasure.
asciilifeform: how about mircea_popescu's mental habit of believing that the gods themselves made the sea as a toy for the rich,
asciilifeform: has mircea_popescu ever built so much as a dog house with own hands?
mircea_popescu: and no, you're not going to come off the cuff with something meaningful to say in that converesation, because you have no clue about the design space or the constraints. exactly like i have to tell you how a fucking tractor works to plow a fucking field. and so fucking on.
mircea_popescu: and the most bitter fruit of this entire tree of idiocy being that in six months to a year, we'll be right back to "oh, orlol boat and lizzards are keeping the hydrogen engine under wraps". ☟︎
mircea_popescu: to qualify in an argument with a fellow who routinely proceeds to idiocy on the level of "metal rusts" and whatnot.
mircea_popescu: the actual yacht which you can actually keep fucktoys on, which costs about 5 to 10 mn, does in point of fact take the labour of a thousand men over their lives. except we got tools to do it faster and cheaper.
mircea_popescu: hurr durr. buy a teflonating laser.
mircea_popescu: remember ? you didn't like the correct solution (metal) because... you don't have a cnc mill. and that's a fucking criteria in design now, what the fuck engineer has lying about and perceives underutilized, esp if he happens to thin kit's cvool.
mircea_popescu: this is way the fuck better than anything you came up with so far, and we're not even trying. nor pretending to be keeping a blog about it, a la orlol.
asciilifeform: if this is an argument, bottle is a boat
mircea_popescu: truly unsinkable, also, because so what if you lose a few cells.
mircea_popescu: ostensibly doesn't fit a queen bed.
mircea_popescu: tell you what, if boats were made of plastic the MTBS would be a week, and the "lizards" runnin the coast guard would charge you.
mircea_popescu: alfie... you gots a problem here.
asciilifeform: jurov -- i live in a mostly plastic house..
mircea_popescu: oh i see, you're one of those, will build spaceship out of cheese and power with fresh milk because you got a dairy farm ?