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mircea_popescu: but
then
that fell
through. now, how exactly it fell
through... it's not clear.
mircea_popescu: originally it was going
to be "nobody wanted
to bid so we just gave it
to our friends
to help us "enforce" price policy"
ziggla: that's
the only point of lying i see
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves afaik betmoose is
the attempt
to "prove me wrong" of some guy
that was pissed
that i despise
the "marketplace model"
ziggla: so if
they are going
to lie and scam, you
think
they will
try
to inflate
the price
they received?
mircea_popescu: ziggla its not really germane, when discussing precedent. and yes, i do
think usms is scamming.
ziggla: 500 btc is different
than like 7 btc.
the silk road bet isn't for much. don't
think
tim draper or
the usms is scamming newbs on bitbet here
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves if nothing else,
there's going
to be an investor report, not like he's mp spending his own money.
mircea_popescu: some scamsites working with
them
to help
them skewer noobs aquiesced, which ruined
their reputation. bitbet did not.
mircea_popescu: then
they failed
to deliver but
tried
to claim
that "it's unresolvable"
ThickAsThieves: i used
to be sure he overpaid, but he was so fukn
tightlipped
to every direct question on
the price
mircea_popescu: anyway, if you're curiuous re precedent,
the bfl scammers put 500 btc on a delivery bet early on in bitbet's history
mircea_popescu: ziggla i have nfi yet. i deliberately avoided
the
topic, because why prejudge
ziggla: i also don't agree with
that methodology either way
ziggla: i'd like
to know if i stand
to win or not
ziggla: mircea, just curious what you
think
the price was in case you decide
to resolve
the bet rather
than an official release from USMS
mircea_popescu: just need someone
to get it
together and leak
the emails and sutff already
mircea_popescu: very good drama in
the whole auction
thing. lots and lots.
ThickAsThieves: USMS needs more apparently
to fabricate a reality where whatever story
they give about
the auction will seem
true
ThickAsThieves: NYDFS needs 3mos
to fabricate
the bitcoin research
they said
they already did
mircea_popescu: PeterL__ i still regret no judge made
their email
thing precendent. "from now on, an y
taxpayer may just pretend
they lost
the emails"
ziggla: yes, it is resolvable. i wish
the USG would just cooperate so we can know
PeterL__: reminds me of interacting with
the IRS "Please submit
this info within 3 days or else huge fine, expect a response in 12-16 weeks, maybe"
mircea_popescu: ziggla well in
that sense driving into
the wall is easy, just
turn
the weel and push
the gas.
ziggla: sorry folks,
this bet is unresolvable. usg won't release
the info. it has been 3 months. we will refund
the bets.
mircea_popescu: PeterL__ it's funny you know because
they walked right into it,
they were all "o we hve a pr stragety, here's how we'll crush bitcoin's image lalal"
ziggla: it's pretty easy
to cancel imo
mircea_popescu: ziggla can't wait forever, obviously. but
the alternative is imo worse.
ziggla: yes, so we wait for
them
to release
this info
ThickAsThieves: the USMS acknowledged
they have had many public inquiries as
to
the info
mircea_popescu: PeterL__ multiple people.
the 30 day
term has been exceeded. by 50+ days.
mircea_popescu: but
there's a legitimate contention here, no way
to cancel.
PeterL__: didn't somebody submit a foia request for
the price? have
they still not heard back?
mircea_popescu: ziggla not
that many, and not usually in a contention.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: people just wanna blame someone or something else anyways, eg.
the joo
mircea_popescu: ziggla
the difference is
that you perceive
this
theoretical 3rd way, of "cancelling bets". i don't.
ziggla: seems easiest
to not play oracle if you don't have
to make any decisions about your
thoughts of
the usg if
the bet is just cancelled
pete_dushenski: and
that
they probably cross-contaminated something at home or at friend's house, not restaurant.
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski if you stfu and listen
to your body, you can generally
tell.
mircea_popescu: anyway, what's
the purpose of not publishing it afterwards ? after all
that lead-up and promissory behaviour, o noes, we will ruin btc lalal.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: can you normally
tell what's wrong with you, if something's wrong, and what food item was
the cause, if you're sick ? << hilarious when people get food poisoning, blame it on last meal
they ate, ignorant of bacteria with >1 week incubation periods (e. coli, listeria, etc.)
ThickAsThieves: <+ziggla> but i don't see
the purpose of
them lying /// are you like 11yo?
mircea_popescu: last fucking
thing i want is
to play
the oracle for bureaucracies
ziggla: but i don't see
the purpose of
them lying
mircea_popescu: after i make a decision, if
their claims contradict
that decision...
they're lieing.
mircea_popescu: if it doesn't want
to have
to lie later, it better
tell
the
truth now.
ziggla: why don't you just cancel
the whole
thing if we don't find out?
mircea_popescu: irrespective of what
the usg may falsely or accurately claim afterwards.
mircea_popescu: but unideally, i will just unilaterally decide one side, and
that will be what happened,
mircea_popescu: a
that sore spot. well ideally we find out once
the usg finally and publicly admits
to having been owned, painfully and humiliatingly.
ziggla: i'm confused about
this silk road bet
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: i was keeping up until
the 16 hours of flights and subsequent catching up with people/work
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: jesus canucks are
tought. << lol at least
the ones here
mircea_popescu: "here's how i'd say
this, here's how i'd write
this, and here's how i'd blog
this"
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski seriously
tho,
that's when it begins, when
the blog's a
tool of self expression.
pete_dushenski: and
ty
to mircea_popescu and
ThickAsThieves for
the kind comments :)
pete_dushenski: but
there's enough immigrants here
that
there's some worldliness if you look for it
pete_dushenski: but
that's not even just
the kids, most "adults" from here as well
pete_dushenski: everyone here goes
to vegas, mexico, etc. just
to get pissed
mircea_popescu: you know where everyone really goes ?
to
the fucking
toilet. what reason
to pick a vacation in
the bathroom is
that!
pete_dushenski: plus, legal prostitution, eu standard of living, cheaper
than west/central eu
mircea_popescu: well yeah,
they all want
to go
to ibiza, because "everyne goes
there"
mircea_popescu: anyway, yes, im entertained. and riga looks great, nobody
thinks of it as a vacation destination, but i don't recall ever hating it
there.
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski dude is giving himself as an example.
the funny
thing is
that wordpress has a comment index,
trilema is over 100k, his blog was 5k, but hey. HE rules.
pete_dushenski: considering
that i can
think of few personal blogs with more comments...
mircea_popescu: it's funny
to contemplate how many doods hate me, and for what endless sort of
terms.
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski great lol, reading
the ro derpage of some guy explaining everyone how
trilema is dead because "it has no comments"