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skinnkavaj: mircea_popescu: Hard
to
take anyones word seriously, I can only judge by
the flock of bitcoin developers in #monero-dev, I am not
trusting 1 guy named jl777
that he will create a "Supernetwork" while he also have created 50 other altcoins. I am instead
trusting
the names assoicated with Monero. Familiar names
to me. Also unless BTC is forked it will be
the
transparent coin and
this is
mircea_popescu: "Let us first
talk about
the elephant in
the room. Who am I? And why
the newbie account? Answer –
There are many egos at work in BCT.
These egos make fact based discussion difficult. "
skinnkavaj: mircea_popescu: Some guy running many pump n dumps in
the altcoin scene
RagnarDanneskjol: maybe. is
the address accurate on drinking blog for pool mining BingoBoingo ?
chalbersma: Okay I'll grab his address when we get
to
that stage.
mircea_popescu: and i'll have x-rob point his miner
to it once you're all set up
too
chalbersma: Generally it's a good idea
to use an address from a wallet not on
the same server as
the pool.
That will ensure
that if
the server is compromised
there's less
that can be stolen.
chalbersma: Also whose ATC address is going
to be
the base address for
this pool?
chalbersma: That's
the plan I do need
to go run some errands
though so I won't be able
to start until later
today.
RagnarDanneskjol: droplet is set and ready
to roll. chalbersma - are you gonna work on
this
today?
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chalbersma: I'll start working with Ragnar
to get it setup.
chalbersma: Let me generate one for
this
transaction.
mircea_popescu: chalbersma so i was saying, you can have
the .2 but not
the ads. dun imagine you lose all
that much by it anyway
RagnarDanneskjol: I'll give you some free career coaching
too, brush up your resume and whatnot
chalbersma: In
theory we could
take a "cross
that bridge when we come
to it." position.
mircea_popescu: chalbersma okay, you can have
the .2, but i'd rather not ad
the
thing up, so.
chalbersma: I've got it setup currently on a home connection. You can check it out but I'd like
to give
the ip over pm
to keep some semblance of keeping my IP private.
chalbersma: If
the budget allows I was
thinking
that allowing me
to place an add on
the web interface page + ~0.2 BTC initial compensation for setup on Ragnar's hardware seems reasonable. It gives me an incentive
to continue maintenance because of
the add while giving me enough up front
to satisfy
the fiancee
that
the hours I've already spent working on it were worth it.
RagnarDanneskjol: i
tried
to get him
to
take one for
the
team so he can hang with
the cool kids - but
the man's GREEDY
chalbersma: Well now's
the awkward budget period where we discuss how
to get paid. :)
RagnarDanneskjol: i understand chalbersma already set up atc p2pool on his home machine and did some
test mining. I volunteered some server space
to host ongoing. will let you gents figure out
the rest
jurov: they want
to be
the one "i did not know i cannot be done, i boldly went and did it"
mircea_popescu: if
the protocol had been written, it'd have been obvious
to anyone sane why
this
thing can not be done. as it wasn't, people can persevere into
trying
to push mud uphill, because
there's nobody
to "prove
to
them"
that's what it is, and
they refuse
to believe authorities
that know better
than
them can even in principle exist.
mircea_popescu: <thestringpuller> No one can seem
to figure out how
to use nLockTime without a
third party
to prevent double spend. << for a fundamental reason.
thestringpuller: No one can seem
to figure out how
to use nLockTime without a
third party
to prevent double spend.
thestringpuller: E.g. one could
time-lock 1 bitcoin for 1 year
to create a FrozenCoin.
This can be done using nLockTime property of a Bitcoin
transaction, but we would need an oracle (e.g. a
trusted
third party)
to prove
that a coin can't be spent before
the specified
time.
thestringpuller: For
the start, we need
to introduce
the concept of a FrozenCoin. FrozenCoin is simply a bitcoin which cannot be spent before a certain moment in future, i.e. a
time-locked, frozen bitcoin.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] [PAID] 4.00195824 BTC
to 1`149`988 shares, 348 satoshi per share
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] [PAID] 4.54929696 BTC
to 162`012 shares, 2808 satoshi per share
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.41107631 BTC
to 15`393 shares, 9167 satoshi per share
jurov: let's agree on clacktower protocol in advance
then
jurov: btw, how would
the blockchain
telegraph deal with XX btc
transactions/second limit? #b-a woud break it often
mircea_popescu: course he hated
the banks cause he hated
the jews, but hey.
mircea_popescu: it occurs
to me ezra pound would make fine reading for b-a. he hated
the banks.
mircea_popescu: There once was a pore honest sailor, a heavy drinker, a hell of a cuss, a rowster, a boozer, and
the drink finally sent him
to hospital, and
they operated, and
there was a poor whore in
the woman’s ward had a kid, while
they were fixing
the sailor, and
they brought him
the kid when he came
to, and said : ‘Here!
this is what we
took out of you.’
jurov: "serverless" means "everyone has
to be a server"
mircea_popescu: people should be involved, and
their involvement required, or otherwise shit happens.
mircea_popescu: really,
the problem is its context, it's
too metaphysical. you're not supposed
to solve practical problems
that way.,
mircea_popescu: by
this measure, bitcoin also already existed, in 2004.
mircea_popescu: listen, do you agree making
things "so easy
to use even an idiot could use
them" is bad policy ?
nanotube: heh sure because 'nature' doesn't have volition
to do anything 'deliberately' :)
nanotube: nature does
take care of its own stinks
though. :)
mircea_popescu: jesus you're all
too smart
to argue with, what is
this! counterexamples and shit :D
mircea_popescu: who knows what comes out of
the ecosystem built around
this undersea volcano of satoshis
mircea_popescu: nature doesn't stink and factories all do because nature allows
things
to be expenses and industry does not.
nanotube: mircea_popescu: ah i see. well, at .0001 btc per
tx, 1btc will last for a while. you could also just not reveal
the data packet until you
take
the btc back out.
mircea_popescu: "woman could just go outdoors naked ?" "could, yes, but gangrape" sure. except if
they all do, because no rapists, gang or otherwise, can keep up with women if it comes
to
the biology of it, which is how it's designed. and so...
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: could, yes. and
then overruled on appeal. (very embarrassing, if not career-ending event, for patent judge) <<
this works if
the event is rare. if
the event is common, it stops working. consider :
mircea_popescu: don't
tell me
the plan is
to
throw out ip or something.
mircea_popescu: i mean it's quite clearly by
the book libtard orchestrated nonsense. cui bono ?!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform:
the patent office
thing is a crock of shit. << you know i wonder why
the press is moving against
the uspto.
mircea_popescu: oh, you were asking who. i am seeding it, after which if we run it by donation we run it by donation, or else users will have
to pay.
nanotube: RagnarDanneskjol: who gets
to send
the 0.0001 btc, such
that
they don't mind someone else getting it (whoever fastest at getting out
the spend
tx?)
mircea_popescu: which implementation is a large portion of why im here in
the first place. if it hadn;'t existed it's unlikely vragnaroda'd have had what
to seduce me with
mircea_popescu: here's how idiots change
the world :
they do stupid shit which makes smart people get off
their arse.
mircea_popescu: anyway ping you for
tests once
this
thing is delivered ?
mircea_popescu: anyway, it's not even spam, it's one extra
tx every six blocks on average at
the most.
RagnarDanneskjol: nano - I contacted you about helping build it a coupl months back. i
think it Might be done
this weekend