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decimation: totally agree, you never 'own' anything in
the us
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform re
the cern cabling : part of it is
that
they know it's gonna fail.
ben_vulpes: sure, but if
the point is
to eventually own it free and clear and not pay rent, property
taxes still count as rent.
ben_vulpes: then
there's
the need
to continue paying rent forever.
decimation: plus many of
them bought & were screwed on homes
decimation: people younger
than 40 are seeing how much
their parents bought into
the 'housing is infinite wealth' idea and
they see how
they were screwed
decimation: ben_vulpes: I
think
the renting vs. buying
thing is a generational shift in
the us
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decimation: call
the democratic police, maybe
they care
decimation: gernika: not unless it is your primary residence and your gains are less
than $500k (as I recall)
ben_vulpes: i just let
the girl paint
the walls whatever and book
the deposit as a cost of renting.
gernika: then
there's
the fact
that when your house goes up in value, so does everyone else's, so its not like you can sell it and buy a bigger house. And if you don't buy another house with
the proceeds of selling your house, you pay a lot of
taxes.
decimation: ben_vulpes: don't forget
the usg 'subsidy' of mortgages
mats_cd03: i was under
the impression selling homes is a matter of finding bagholders
ben_vulpes: tell me - how do you book
those expenses, and how do you
tally
the ROI?
ben_vulpes: keeping
the yard looking adequately neat
to keep
the homeowners association gruntled?
ben_vulpes: and when you sell your house, do you account for all of
the property
taxes you've paid over its lifetime?
the repairs made?
the endless
time spent fixing it?
ben_vulpes: "well of course you want
to build equity!"
ben_vulpes: the house discussion with
these people is a great example.
decimation: they wouldn't believe
that chumpatrons exist and
that
they were all likely
to enter one
decimation: in
taleb's antifragile, Fat
Tony would have said
that
the chumps wouldn't believe you if you
told
them
ben_vulpes: gernika decimation:
there's some value in witnessing
the chumpatron from
the inside.
decimation: gernika: indeed, unfortunately
there's no undergrad class on how not
to be a chump
gernika: decimation which is no compensation for giving up
the flower of your youth for corporate america sadly
decimation: gernika: I've noticed
that it's a common pattern in
today's economy: kid goes
to work for borg-firm, gives up his flower of youth, and
then later finds employment profiting on
the idiocy he witnessed earlier
gernika: I made more consulting for a firm based out of Minnesota
than I was working at
the big name
tech company
that acquired a startup I had worked for. So yeah. Fuck startups.
The20YearIRCloud: the one around me was one of
the largest canals during
the pre-railroad days
decimation: The20YearIRCloud:
the midwest was webbed with
them until railroads made
them obsolete
decimation: gernika: how did you manage
to establish your bona fides?
assbot: White SeaBaltic Canal - Wikipedia,
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ben_vulpes: which, i guess, is why
they come
to me. "please write some not shitty software. i'll pay you 1.25x market just so i can keep
the paper and
the software and not have
to manage
the zeks."
mats_cd03: save yourselves
thousands of hours of dev and just kill it right now
ben_vulpes: i don't really buy
that part decimation.
the people who do rounds easily understand
the problems of shitty software, and are loath
to hire zeks at sub market wages.
gernika: definitely
the way
to go IMO
decimation: meanwhile hire some 'zeks' and pay
the half
the median wage for
their salary, in exchange for some vague promises of stock
ben_vulpes: "i'll
take
the cash, you can keep
the paper."
decimation: imagine you just convinced your daddy's golf buddy
to give you $100mn in seed money. you are now
the 'bitcoin ceo' of your own startup! how do you make your 'idea' work? rent
the
talent
that your roommate from stanford used for his startup!
decimation: ben_vulpes: I suspect
this is how most money is 'made' in silly-con valley
ben_vulpes: is running a consulting shop and sucking dollars out of shartups a short on
the bezzle market?
kakobrekla: asciilifeform no cigar on
the .su but i did inject
them with JS
turning warning
the visitors.
gribble: Error: I am not seeing
this user on IRC. If you want information about a registered gpg user,
try
the 'gpg info' command instead.
strtupfndr: so have i
told you about
this magical aeroplane?
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gribble: BTC-E | A market order
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gribble: BTC-E |
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the price
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gribble: Bitstamp | A market order
to sell 1000 bitcoins right now would net 415085.0852 USD and would
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gribble: BTC-E | A market order
to sell 10 bitcoins right now would net 4108.8243 USD and would
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gribble: (market sell [--fiat] [--market <market>] [--currency XXX] <value>) -- Calculate
the effect on
the market depth of a market sell order of <value> bitcoins. If <market> is provided, uses
that exchange. Default is Bitstamp. If --currency XXX is provided, converts
to
that fiat currency. Default is USD. If '--fiat' option is given, <value> denotes
the size of
the order in fiat.
gribble: (market sell [--fiat] [--market <market>] [--currency XXX] <value>) -- Calculate
the effect on
the market depth of a market sell order of <value> bitcoins. If <market> is provided, uses
that exchange. Default is Bitstamp. If --currency XXX is provided, converts
to
that fiat currency. Default is USD. If '--fiat' option is given, <value> denotes
the size of
the order in fiat.
gribble: (market sell [--fiat] [--market <market>] [--currency XXX] <value>) -- Calculate
the effect on
the market depth of a market sell order of <value> bitcoins. If <market> is provided, uses
that exchange. Default is Bitstamp. If --currency XXX is provided, converts
to
that fiat currency. Default is USD. If '--fiat' option is given, <value> denotes
the size of
the order in fiat.
ben_vulpes: can one model
the effect cross-exchange?
gribble: Bitstamp |
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gribble: Bitstamp | A market order
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the last price down
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gribble: Bitstamp | A market order
to sell 2000 bitcoins right now would net 817749.7190 USD and would
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the last price down
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gribble: Bitstamp | A market order
to sell 10 bitcoins right now would net 4219.4919 USD and would
take
the last price down
to 421.7300 USD, resulting in an average price of 421.9492 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 142.6649 seconds
gribble: (sell <amount> <thing> [at|@] <priceperunit> <otherthing> [<notes>]) -- Logs a sell order for <amount> units of <thing, at a price of <price> per unit, in units of <otherthing>. Use
the optional <notes> field
to put in any special notes. <price> may include an arithmetical expression, and {(mtgox|bitstamp)(ask|bid|last|high|low|avg)}
to index price
to mtgox ask, bid, last, high, low, (1 more message)
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assbot: NEVER
trust
the autorouter |
Teespring
decimation: asciilifeform:
they probably just click
the 'autoroute' key
dub: hmm, last looked at reason a looong
time ago
decimation: asciilifeform:
this is largely
the case even in electrical engineering labs
decimation: if
they reset
the research budget
to $2000
they couldn't afford
the bezzle-equipment
decimation: yeah,
there's not a working osx port either
decimation: apparently
they have
too many bezzlars/postdocs
to do more physics
decimation: I
think
that CERN are contributing
to kicad
these days
decimation: but, it is a pretty
tall mountain of chairs, if you want
to use it for a foundation for something better :)
decimation: yeah, it's sad
that even open source engineering
tools are written for microshit
decimation: supposedly
the kicad autorouter has been improved
assbot: Logged on 11-06-2014 02:35:54; decimation: what part failed -
the autorouter?