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xmj: moriarty: really, sex drive is at
the core of male achievement.
moriarty: xmj, i agree, intelligence, beauty,
the
things
that ultimately lead us
to do what we want
to do
through meaningful employment, have lots of meaningless sex with as many beautiful people as possible
decimation: much
time and attention in
the us is devoted
to making sure every last miscreant gets at least 50 chances
to do good
moriarty: mircea_popescu, i can see your proclivities
towards
the ancap notions
xmj: moriarty: one of
the reason
that is, is because intelligence is heritable and people cluster around
their intelligence
bounce: it's still violence over nipples
there
mircea_popescu: seems
to me
the black guys are already doing it, and
that may explain
their preeminence over
the prude whites.
bounce: japan still has
those personal vouching
things going on in contracts
xmj: it's an ingenious way
to signal ability
moriarty: xmj, and
that kind of connection comes inherited, not unlike genetic material
xmj: moriarty: but do not underestimate
the paper
bounce: too bad
the us is really
too prude for
that,
though
moriarty: xmj, someone personally vouching for you is a far more powerful statement
than an educational factory produced paper
xmj: so for
them it's an incentive
to opt out earlier
moriarty: xmj, a signal
that is second in importance
to
the signalling of connections
xmj: signal of intelligence, as education is more costly for
the less-intelligent
mircea_popescu: for
the simple reason
that he's an idiot. what's he going
to do ? whine ?
bounce: oh hey, ancient roman patronage practices. would fit
the us' crumbling empire elan
moriarty: not
that i'm griping about connections and such :P
the way i see it, we inherit genes as we do connections
mircea_popescu: but in point of fact,
the 51% of which idiots like xmj are part would NEVER overcome
the 49% which includes me.
mircea_popescu: even if british society in
the 1800s miscalculate dthe value of muscle.
moriarty: because education alone is not
the key
to gainful employment, it helps if you have strong connections and networking
mircea_popescu: the intellect-muscle debate has nothing
to do with
the loser-winner debate
mircea_popescu: this is so much derpage reflecting
the extremely narrow case of where a bunch of people worked with
their muscles.
moriarty: but see, if you're elite,
then you would have more conniving methods of undermining
the other side of society
moriarty: anyway, i
think education is one of
the nice ways
the elites of society has deceived
the havenots :) i
think xmj earlier pointed out about how
the 51% would overthrow
the 49%
mircea_popescu: aka "beg someone much better
than you
to
tolerate your presence"
mircea_popescu: suddenly
the us dollar could compete with
the singapore dollar.
mircea_popescu: what if
that entire population were put in its place ?
mircea_popescu: the problem with us noobs is
that instead of sucking cock and being humble,
they reddit.
moriarty: mircea_popescu,
think social escorts, etc
moriarty: mircea_popescu, cost of living is high in singapore, so
those without
the proper education
tend
to resort
to less conducive means
to make a living
mircea_popescu: it's just
that
the parent may not whine as audibly as
the child. but you can't rule by whining
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moriarty: mircea_popescu, it does not affect
the parent as negatively as
the offspring, particularly if
the parent is not emotionally vulnerable
to its offspring :)
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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform "i wish
they kiled idiots so
then
they'd be real cheap and i could get
them all"
moriarty: mircea_popescu, in short,
the motivations of
the parents are not entirely aligned with
the children
mircea_popescu: moriarty no. it encourages backgrounds
to not be fracturous
moriarty: so
the singaporean model discounts earlier on, individuals
that come from more fractious backgrounds, by
tiering
them very early on
mircea_popescu: and which is why a fundamentally idiotic game model (the platformer,
the scroller, etc) were still loads of fun
moriarty: in essence,
there are negative externalities based on
the draw of
the hand, where some individuals never get
tested on
their fortitude in dealing with familial crises, and others do
mircea_popescu: which is why hard amiga games in
the 80s were a lot better
than
the crap
today,
moriarty: and
the singaporean social experiment assumes implicitly
that curveballs are
totally within
the individual's control
moriarty: although if one wants
to be sappy about it, life does
throw curveballs at some individuals more
than others
bounce: we do a lot better
than nature by allowing learning from mistakes and
therefore retries
moriarty: mircea_popescu,
that's a good point, i like singapore's system
too
mircea_popescu: nature doesn't come with a "you
took
that path and a lion ate you, would you like
to retry yes/no/cancel"
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moriarty: if you're not good enough, you get streamed
to what essentially pigeonholes you
to
the blue-collar stream
moriarty: their entire education system is
tiered, with forks occuring after junior school, after high school, and after pre-university
mircea_popescu: so,
the ilusion of having "changed"
the system may be cheaply attained
mircea_popescu: whereas
the space for individuals is immensely more dense.
moriarty: in singapore,
there is no room for change
though,
there is no automatic pass up
the high school ladder, if you fail or do poorly, you get streamlined
to
the lower education
tier
mircea_popescu: any system
that forces change upon
the individual is going
to win longterm
moriarty: mircea_popescu, i guess in a way you could say singapore is being "kinder" by
telling you upfront
that if you
take
that course, your employment chances will be fucked, so let's help make
this idiot-proof as possible by barring you from choosing
that road
mircea_popescu: in
the 80s romania
there used
to be about 100 18yo girls a year hanging
themselves for having sucked at
tests.
bounce: bureaucrazies are heavy but not gravity
themselves
moriarty: if you
take a highly subscribed course but you are not cream of
the crop,
then you are assigned a less serious university, and you may harbour fantasies of serendipity working in your favour come working world
time, but
that wouldn't logically happen
mircea_popescu: moriarty it's not "the governemnt" any more
than it's gravity.
moriarty: so
the
threshold is adjusted based on your choice, your funeral
moriarty: you are given six choices of universities for ideally
the same major (you could even mix and match majors but let's
take
the simpler assumption)
moriarty: in
the UK,
the same
thing happens, but it is done more surreptiously so
the pain is less obvious
moriarty: and
the government decides
their whole lives for
them
moriarty: i imagine singaporeans must be accustomed
to not getting
their way at anything
moriarty: imagine, if you wrote down six majors you
thought you wanted
to do in order of preference, only
to be given your last choice
moriarty: mircea_popescu, so if photography has low demand but high applicant rates,
then most of
them get rejected
moriarty: mircea_popescu, singapore
took your opinion
to a slightly more extreme point,
their university application form consists of a ranking of six majors, and
the state
then allocates a major
to you based on a
threshold
that is demand-adjusted
bounce: bit of a fail
that policy makers
tend
to forget
that little detail
decimation: Vexual:
The clock is going
to drive various rf devices & data capture systems
moriarty: bounce, it is cheaper
to go
to some universities
than others, geographically as well as prestige-wise
mircea_popescu: the observed property is based on not having been
tampered with
moriarty: bounce, but you had universities catering across
the spectrum of students
mircea_popescu: yeah well
this socialistoid idiocy... "currently college ed people are upwards movbile let's give degrees
to anyone wait
that changes mobiliy ?!?!!?" is like, become a woman,
they liove longer.
moriarty: bounce, well, not across
the board
moriarty: that sounds like singapore
then, a social experiment in of itself
mircea_popescu: quota as in, no more
than
this may pass no matter what happens.
moriarty: and
then a recent mass study conducted indicated social mobility did not happen despite more people
than ever having university degrees
moriarty: we had a lofty
target of 50%
tertiary literacy rates
moriarty: it happened in
the UK unfortunately