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mircea_popescu: back
then princesses went into
the hovels
to rescue genius.
mircea_popescu: in a sense,
the renaissance was
the golden age of us libtardism.
decimation: mircea_popescu: you mean educatin'
the local youths?
mircea_popescu: moriarty just some random
twerp, no relevancy no relation.
mircea_popescu: decimation really it started during
the renaissance, as an attempt
to bite
the fruit of life fully.
decimation: yeah in 'modern'
times
the common solution was
to send
the kids off
to 'elite' boarding schools and so forth
decimation: mircea_popescu: sounds legit, I'll
try
to adopt
that nomenclature
Apocalyptic: the only incentive is
to get reelected yes
xmj: with democracy you (as
temporary ruler) have no incentive
to make your young boys/girls look good.
xmj: decimation: see, democracy doesn't work
that way.
mircea_popescu: you'll confuse people who study history, it's a
term of art
moriarty: asciilifeform,
there is some
truth
to
that article
mircea_popescu: traditionally it's
the fall of rome
to
the discovery of america.
assbot: Carl Friedrich Gauss - Wikipedia,
the free encyclopedia
decimation: "Gauss's intellectual abilities attracted
the attention of
the Duke of Brunswick,[2] who sent him
to
the Collegium Carolinum (now Braunschweig University of
Technology), which he attended from 1792
to 1795, and
to
the University of Göttingen from 1795
to 1798. "
mircea_popescu: do you mean like 5 people in
the renaiisant italy or what.
mircea_popescu: o hey,
trilema is not on
the "dark enlightenment" map w/e
that is. i guess im cool like
that!
decimation: in
the middle ages,
the local barons would
think of
themselves as personally responsible
to nurture
the
talent of
the local intelligent young boys
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> 'lesswrong' would be a harmless heathen pit if not for
the inescapable fact
that it is a
tarpit for a good number of otherwise intelligent folks <<
this is a major problem in search for a solution.
decimation: I suspect few recognize
the irony of
turning away from
traditional worship of Jahweh
to worship some hobo
moriarty: maybe i should do some good with my bitcoin winnings, and put some of
those intelligent folks
through school
moriarty: did he watch
too much AI doomsday movies?
decimation: yeah I guess
there's
this fantasy
that he can personally steer research
toward non-angry-ai-god ai
xmj: as
to
the rest, no idea
mircea_popescu: kinda like
the position of
the girl being propositioned. if hte guy is good enough, not her place
to have an opinion, not really.
mircea_popescu: not likely, but if it decided
to... who is yudjowsky
to say no.
moriarty: Yudkowsky is reason enough why formal education makes all
the difference in
the world
xmj: i'm missing vdare on
this picture
xmj: hrm, still not
the right one
mircea_popescu: o,
that's bad because it could mp
them out of existence ?
decimation: asciilifeform: did you post
those lenat papers somewhere? I have a reasonably fast digitizer if you lack
assbot: Mapping
The Dark Enlightenment
xmj: moriarty: i wanted
to look up
the map of
the neoreactionary blogosphere for you, sec
xmj: moriarty: you cannot receive development, you don't deserve development, you develop and
then you've earned it.
mircea_popescu: "ETA: How concerned should we be
that DARPA is going full steam ahead for strong AI? Perhaps not very much, given
the failure of at least
two of
their projects along
these lines"
xmj: moriarty: "why didn't
they?"
xmj: moriarty: now comes your neoreactionary and inquires "if western europeans built such beautiful institutions such as states
that actually hold
together over centuries, industries, absolute nuclear family
that favors outbreeding, and an army
that could literally dominate
the entire world..."
mircea_popescu: well, i didn't mean b-a-hood in
the "it's sensible and it works" sense, i mearly meant it in
the "rule
the wrold" sense.
xmj: damn white privilege putting maps out in projections
that disfavor blacks
mircea_popescu: possibly one of
the more stupid
things
to come out of academia.
moriarty: xmj, some have posited
that
the reason why Africa received much less development is because of
the way our map projections undermine
the
true size of Africa
mircea_popescu: what's left is
the multi-millenial selected scum of humanity.
xmj: moriarty: where'd you get
that one from
mircea_popescu: moriarty
there's nothing
to fathom. africa is
the craddle of civilisation. better people leave, so
they left.
jurov: they banned you cauz of
this? huehuehue
jurov: Comment author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky
This is a road
that does not lead
to Friendly AI, only
to AGI. I doubt
this has anything
to do with Lenat's motives - but I'm glad
the source code isn't published and I don't
think you'd be doing a service
to
the human species by
trying
to reimplement it.
moriarty: in our attempt
to fathom why africa has such a different development
trail, we have come up with some interesting cause models, from
the bias introduced by
the Mercator projection,
to
the irrelevancy of subdividing world population based on continental shelves
moriarty: giving away of free bank accounts, mobile
telebanking etc
moriarty: africa is busy
trying
to make
the banks more accessible
to
the citizen on
the street
mircea_popescu: and resistance will be washed away on
the simple grounds
that well... fiat world is going
to africa anyway.
mircea_popescu: moriarty it would work as a wot system, and as
that only.
moriarty: but i guess once a system is put in place, resistance would act against any attempts
to better
the status quo
chetty: well in china if you are not
the robot
type you jump out
the window, not reproduce
assbot: Logged on 19-07-2014 03:41:36; asciilifeform: even ancient china, apparently, had 'cram schools.' (see miyazaki, 'china's examination hell' - neat little monograph on
the subject)
mircea_popescu: the chinese got
there, but with
thinking.
their
thinkers can't reproduce w/o
the state. it proved ruinous but it is not yet abandoned.
mircea_popescu: recall your argument re
the statist agriculture endgame ?
mircea_popescu: proceeds
to act as if
the static image he perceived, more or less blurry, is made out of diamond.
mircea_popescu: the average idiot
tasked with "making policy" and "framework" for absolutely no reason doesn't get
this,
mircea_popescu: bounce: apropos earlier point, you need
the idiots
though. how else are you going
to know you're not? <<
this is such nonsense. why would you care ?
moriarty: mircea_popescu, it doesn't help
that
the metrics of a good academic is
the number of publications, one
that seems
to be robust in
the face of peer review, but
take a peek behind
the curtain only
to unveil
the editorial committee having
ties
to
the same university, sigh
moriarty: mircea_popescu, yeah i don't care
too much for academia, when i've realised
the amount of crap coming from most institutions
mircea_popescu: <moriarty> asciilifeform,
to be fair it was somewhat of an adjustment coming from
the open world of academia and studenthood into proprietary work <<
that'd explain why you so drastically overestimate
the "conversation" going on between empty barrels rolling downhill.