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mircea_popescu: * asciilifeform derps atoms in unheated wooden hovel with 0-phase (extension cord from house...) << mp lives in land of currently spring. forgets the rest of the world has autumns and shit
BingoBoingo: Well, worse things have been required of people by circumstances
moldysnizz: I might have to put in a driveway first. :P
mircea_popescu: <ben_vulpes> mircea_popescu: i'm always confused by your "copyright and IP lolol" attitude contrasted with the "these contracts are copyright MPEx 20**" lines in the MPEx contracts << there are some places ip makes sense.
moldysnizz: About to get a solar panal set up on the roof. The charge controler came in the other day.
BingoBoingo: How's the homestead?
BingoBoingo: Not too bad
decimation: to the point, though - it's clear that only a crazy person or a fanatic would wear the 'hair shirt' of emacs defaults. why lock yourself in a tiny box when you have the tools to build a mansion?
decimation: asciilifeform: re: "emacs aptitude test" << yeah I'm realizing I need to remap everything to become more productive, like a young apprentice ought. It is good to learn the default keybindings in case one needs to use some strange terminal without your own .emacs though -- not a situation where one should expect to be productive
ben_vulpes: art meat is tough unless you art it?
nubbins`: art is the same
nubbins`: stew meat is tough, unless you stew it
thestringpuller: but art is tough
thestringpuller: i hope to be art connessieur one day
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nubbins`: ;;rate thestringpuller 1 patron of the arts
nubbins`: don't get too offended, i'm pretty skimpy with my ratings
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thestringpuller: ;;gettrust nubbins` thestringpuller
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nubbins`: he doesn't have anything to say!
nubbins`: "so i guess you could buy a pen if you wanted to..."
nubbins`: guy is literally just browsing through items, clicking on them, lamely reading description
nubbins`: oh and also ben_vulpes they just emailed me and said it doesn't work in ie7
nubbins`: don't feel too bad for me, i got out
ben_vulpes: i apologize sincerely for bringing this weep fest in here
ben_vulpes: bitcoin-assets is my refuge from the shitty horrible suicide-inducing world of web programming
ben_vulpes: i'm noping right the fuck out of this conversation.
nubbins`: and the best part is that X and Y and Z were extremely common words like "Web" and "Site" but with new, very specific, obtuse definitions
thestringpuller: and how these ideas are incepted and nutured
nubbins`: but all the class names remained the same, so to create an instance of Y you'd call createX()
thestringpuller: i wonder who thinks these are good ideas
nubbins`: between two major versions of sharepoint server, microsoft rewrote all the APIs and shuffled around all the names, so that what once was called an X is now called a Y, and what was once called a Y is now called a Z
nubbins`: nah man, you have to think plenty
ben_vulpes: m$ all about preventing developers from thinking
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thestringpuller: that's a thing?
nubbins`: oh god i forgot i used to do shit with forms
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nubbins`: 5 cents cheaper than the theatre
asciilifeform: tight times - slow women.
ben_vulpes: it's an abstraction for the sake of discussion, xmj.
nubbins`: loose times, fast women!
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xmj: asciilifeform: with the difference that modern computing "just works"
asciilifeform: stole german spigots, installing them << idiotic libel
asciilifeform: xmj: this is roughly the situation of modern computing.
xmj: ..needless to say that failed, BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T HAVE ANY PLUMBING.
nubbins`: ben_vulpes is this what they call "consulting"?
xmj: after WW-II was over russia stole german spigots, installing them in russia thinking water would come out of the wall...
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ben_vulpes: operate in the boonies, can't afford and don't want to hire programmers, and so bring me on to do...forms. for enquification of work. in exchange for which i get dollars, and the opportunity to suggest other ways in which to make their businesses run less awkwardly.
xmj: please accept that computer systems in this century have as much legitimacy as water systems in the last.
xmj fastforwards asciilifeform to the 21st century.
ben_vulpes: so i've started bringing in the kind of work i started out seeking. internal applications for companies converting passenger 747s into cargo 747s.
xmj: it's the old debate
nubbins`: but we need to do the thing faster
asciilifeform: honest in the sense that water, shit need to run.
asciilifeform: with the exception that plumbing of pipes to carry water, shit, - is honest work.
ben_vulpes: i imagine that i feel about running cables and laying literal pipe the way you feel about returning responses to http requests.
asciilifeform if condemned to work on 'web stack' would rather have the lethal one. suffer less.
ben_vulpes: options: derp on shitty, non-lethal web stack solving problems for people with "real" businesses in exchange for some nominal amount of cash and the "freedom" to write my own schedule, or drive hours to get to the place with the interesting multiphysics problems and...flourescent-lit workspacen.
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> 'never hire man with fewer than seven or greater than nine fingers' shop ? << they were proud to offer the opportunity to sacrifice my parts on the shrine of their stock price
ben_vulpes: "oh hey if you want to work on the hot parts, you could also go live in the desert - miles from anything interesting! - how about it? we pay 65K pre-tax."
ben_vulpes: "hey kid, want to maintain this family of bolts' load certifications through stack reengineering after stack reengineering? live in LA, sacrifice meaningful human contact, operate in remote proximity to large piles of cash and famous people working on other, cooler things?"
asciilifeform: 'never hire man with fewer than seven or greater than nine fingers' shop ?
ben_vulpes shudders at the memory
ben_vulpes: then the rocket folks gave me a tour of the life i could expect derping on the sexiest atom stacks around
ben_vulpes: * asciilifeform derps atoms in unheated wooden hovel with 0-phase (extension cord from house...) << i came too close to sacrificing too many valuable human-parts derping on atoms on salary to go back to it.
ben_vulpes: can't weld or work metal properly without the grinder.
ben_vulpes: but also entirely replaceable anywhere with a 1960s industrial toolchain.
asciilifeform also hovels, packs the hovel anyway
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes travels ?
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i'm reduced to that with which i cannot bear to part.
asciilifeform: minus one or two
ben_vulpes: for lo, the paupery. we must maintain our own equipment.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: these are perfectly fine things every adult man i know, owns.
ben_vulpes: vice grips (3, various sizes), wrenches, socket set, bike manipulation tools
ben_vulpes: various squares, tape measures, handheld sanders, an 18v battery drill and two batteries for same.
nubbins`: there's no infrastructure for natural gas here so they just burn it all off
ben_vulpes: the actual tools i now own are hacksaws, japanese wood saws, various jigs, shitty quick-grip clamps, a stick welder (in the business-partner's garage), a cutoff saw (ibid), and a circular saw (...).
ben_vulpes: once upon a time i built furnaces, tables, cabinetry, play-vehicles for the e-peen at burning man...
ben_vulpes: in re-packing the toolbox today i had a moment of gloom over all the tools i've abandoned over the years.
ben_vulpes: natural gas as well, for the localized heating of crank-turners.
ben_vulpes: but it has 3-phase and concrete floors should any want to derp thusly.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: the machine shop ?
ben_vulpes: slumlord must be browbeaten into providing and maintaining supplies though
ben_vulpes: access to piss tank(s) comes with rent
asciilifeform: or 'piss tank'
nubbins`: toilet pluger, pay toilet
ben_vulpes: oh lord if the slumlord were even so competent
asciilifeform assumed 'pay toilet'
ben_vulpes: toilet paper, paper towels
ben_vulpes: paper towels
nubbins`: 575 buys you a room on the second floor of my house for one month
asciilifeform has 'mac air' circa '09, when absolutely must work in the jungles
ben_vulpes pays 575 covering deskspace for 6, plus tp, plus pt, plus soap in restrooms, plus ping-pong table
nubbins`: should be a bit zippier than the current 2
ben_vulpes: i'm apparently even more of a pauper than yourself, and must maintain mobile work stations.