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HeySteve: the
turbulence *should* stop it becoming a giant fish blender... might put on some kinda mesh just in case
JuliaTourianski_: +cazalla +mircea_popescu didn;t see
that sorry- you guys do realize I literally know evryone in
the space and am "associated" with everyone, depending on how you look at it.
HeySteve: yeah a motor
to run an impeller with a
tube
to draw oxygen down
to
the blades, I believe it will work well
assbot: Logged on 22-09-2014 18:18:35; mircea_popescu: julia_ well
there's
two specific
things
there. bitcoiners don't like amir because he's an idiot, and many people don't like berwick after
that chile gulch real estate fraud episode. what exactly is your association ?
The20YearIRCloud: That's
the more cost effective way
to do it i
think. I was looking at a 24/7 air compressor
HeySteve: well I am going
to
test out an impeller system
The20YearIRCloud: although here some guys are going
to pure oxygen injection in
the water
HeySteve: but yeah,
the more dissolved oxygen you can get
the water
to carry,
the more densely you can stock
them
HeySteve: and at high concentration,
they will prioritise feeding over breeding
cazalla: JuliaTourianski_ i was drinking last night but still,
that's my impression
HeySteve: right but
they only breed above about 28^ centigrade
The20YearIRCloud: the big holdback on
tilapia is oxygen concentration.
They breed like crazy
to
the point
that
they'll kill
themselves
The20YearIRCloud: The
thing with
tilapia is
that
they eat like crazy on just about anything
HeySteve: hmm well,
they will eat many
things but
to get good growth
they want high protein feed
The20YearIRCloud: because from what I hear you can
take raw farm waste (essentially corn silage) and feed it
to
them
HeySteve: so using BSFL and
tilapia,
that could be done
jurov: btw, i loved
that quip about coffee grounds
HeySteve: well I know with fish,
there's a method which achieves nearly 1:1 feed
to weight conversion
The20YearIRCloud: At 100% of
the animal waste produced converted
to food, it'll
take care of 5% of
the
total US meat demand
HeySteve: and as in
that video, sewage will seem
to work
too
The20YearIRCloud: and how many pounds of meat will
they produce a month from
the BSFL?
HeySteve: right. you're better off with collecting organic waste from other sources in
that case
The20YearIRCloud: Wouldn't be a
terrible
thing if more places converted, but
the problem starts
to become
that if you free-range animals (Cows and pigs, which are
the largest waste producers by far), you can't effectively go out and get
that waste
The20YearIRCloud: So, an extra 13.4m
tons of meat per year from recycling
the waste
through BSFLs.
The20YearIRCloud: Then of
that 67m
tons of feedstock, animals (Depending on breed) are 15%-20% efficient at
taking
the BSFL feedstock and converting it
to actual on-animal weight
HeySteve: better
than sending it
to landfill I'd say!
The20YearIRCloud: Assuming 100% of all animal waste is used as a food source for
them.
The20YearIRCloud: 335m
tons of manure is produced a year in
the US, which would result in 67m
tons of BSFL feedstock
The20YearIRCloud: They need 80kg+
to make ~17kg of feed per week.
That's a great deal of waste.
The20YearIRCloud: HeySteve: seems
they're 20% efficient at converting waste
to protein/feedstock it seems
The20YearIRCloud: Especially as a dried foodstock, i'm shocked
though
they estimate value at only $1/lb
moldysnizz: heh, not so much. chatquack may have logged some drunkeness. I don't have access
to his credintals right now. Desktop is in storage.
kakobrekla: not
that
there anything wrong with
that
HeySteve: you can put
the chickens in a cage above
the grubs
to manage
their waste
The20YearIRCloud: chicken love insects, i know quite a few people
that feed almost exclusively scratch (no food)
jurov: rather
the opposite
HeySteve: yeah I know chickens will eat
them live and
the protein content is high. will
try it with fish but maybe
they need
to be processed for smaller fish
HeySteve: yeah or straight into animal feed
troughs even
HeySteve: the larvae harvest
themselves by crawling up ramps and away from all
the mess
The20YearIRCloud: I'd love
to
try it here, granted finding
the waste input could be difficult outside of animal manure from farms
HeySteve: The20YearIRCloud yeah
they're building a big facility in fluffypony's neck of
the woods
to supply animal feed
to farmers here
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The20YearIRCloud: The big
thing about fish feed is
that
there are a few
types
that have very, very, very low protein inputs and
thrive on waste anyway
ben_vulpes: i also suspect
that skin oils make a nice little bottom layer
ben_vulpes: jurov: you're missing a duration qualifier
there
jurov: they wrote "if left on
the skin
that dust causes burns" - you say BS?
ben_vulpes: wet wipes for
the crotch is about all one needs.
ben_vulpes: jurov: if you're cleaning off
the dust, you're doing it wrong
mircea_popescu: now
they can't rape each other on
the uni campus, where is
the handling supposed
to occur ?
jurov: domes/yurts are usable as
the bigger one
jurov: from what i read about burning man, one needs
two
tents,
the bigger one where you can clean off
the salt
ben_vulpes: one use case
that made some modicum of sense was
this one dood's fuckpalace, but i was always amused
that he couldn't just get down in public at
the burn
HeySteve: yeah gonna start using
them for fish feed
ben_vulpes: "hi i'm subjecting myself
to burning man but i want a
temperature regulated environment but i can't afford an rv RENTAL"
HeySteve: +The20YearIRCloud> One of
the groups at my church goes
to Africa every few years
to
teach people how
to build basic water filters from sand/rocks/ect and when
they do it ,
they save a immense number of lives due
to cholera/disentery <- cool, here's something else you might be interested in:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HM0d2EsVehQ ben_vulpes: i for one
think
the burning man use case is hilarious
mircea_popescu: "After six decades and
the expenditure of
the equivalent of
tens of billions of dollars,
the promise of breeder reactors remains largely unfulfilled and efforts
to commercialize
them have been steadily cut back in most countries"
JuliaTourianski_: the hexayurt is a solution for emergency housing, refugee camps, and poverty housing.
they do protect against extreme
temperature changes, hence
their use at burning man
The20YearIRCloud: Some of
those houses would last forever and needed almost no heat during freezing cold winters
The20YearIRCloud: You want
to look at affordable, extremely useful housing, look
to what
the Scots & irish did with
their housing in
the 1600s from Sod
ben_vulpes: see
the paupery story for details on other "engineering" criteria missing from
the conversation.
The20YearIRCloud: And it's not like people in
the middle of Africa don't have enough
time
to build something
that's gonna work well
ben_vulpes: or a
thing
that i can knock
together in
the middle of nowhere for next
to nothing
Dimsler: is
the white man should just leave
the blacks alone
Dimsler: if south africa has
taught us anything during
the aparthide
Dimsler: they can buy regular
tents?
mircea_popescu: The20YearIRCloud problem is it
takes
them about a month
to build it.
mircea_popescu: Dimsler 1k kids for
two days of booze and sexting at burning man ?
The20YearIRCloud: You can
teach a bunch of low/no education people how
to make bricks in a week or
two, and in a month show
them how
to make a house
that will last 50-100 years
Dimsler: nobody is going
to live in
that
Dimsler: oh
thats Julia girl was
talking about it
mircea_popescu: The20YearIRCloud cement is actually older
than
they
think.
Dimsler: then who
the hell is
talking about
these idiotic eco homes?
mircea_popescu: from what i gathered here
the pro argument was
that
these
take less man-hours
to put up
than an actual construction.