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mp_colonist: just people tend to pretend they don't know this.
mp_colonist: pity there's no jerome k jerome extant to write it
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: not them, either. afaik the translation of russian prison 'pederast' to engl. is 'punk' ('nonce' in british world ?? ) ?
mp_colonist: sorta document his mishaps trying to gtfo.
mp_colonist: actually this could be a decent counterpart to svjek story, "rothgar the barbarian in modern day malmo".
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: The classic Spartans behing the boarding schools, not the historical greeks
mp_colonist: he'd prolly try and leave
decimation: so he would perceive these 'pederasts' as non-people, too weak to even have honor.
mp_colonist: and there's no one man raiding parties.
mp_colonist: dishonor is a different category, in that it's an affliction of the strong.
decimation: thus, rape & pillage the dishonorable
BingoBoingo actually believes Alibaba could be that big measured in Fiats
mp_colonist: decimation, i think more along asciilifeform's idea. nothing but weakness.
decimation: mp_colonist: that's an interesting thought, you are probably right. it also makes the actions of the west w.r.t. money obviously 'dishonorable'
asciilifeform: mp_colonist: he would also immediately grasp the present situation as 'nithlings' ('pederasts' to russian prisoner, ??? to english) took control and force people to behave as if they were people and their honour had weight
decimation: I suspect that it would be hard to convince mr. Haakon that money was not gold
mp_colonist: maybe he'd troll alibaba for rape memorabilia ?
asciilifeform: never touch computer.
decimation: asciilifeform: do mix Mr Yarvin's metaphor - what would "Haakon the Fairhaired" do about computers today? would he pointlessly toil with c-machine kazoo or would he bide his time and work on something unique?
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asciilifeform: about... this.
asciilifeform: decimation: if you are inventor, gruntwork (of the kind involved in achieving almost anything substantial with existing computer systems) is a monumental torture.
mp_colonist: "o, they're just these gas knobs, when you turn them the tea warms". tyvm, fucktard omfg bbq
asciilifeform: decimation: this might actually go straight to mp's piece about good knight/conqueror and good father being different animals
mp_colonist: everyone with this pedestrian "oh magic derp". who the fuck of all these would be scientists actually understands, not in the sense of has-read-frege-and-so-on, but in the sense of has sat down an hour quietly to think on the subject - who i say understands numbers ?
decimation: one hypothesis of the 'open source community' based on this evidence: far more motivated to imitate mediocrity than invent unique & interesting
asciilifeform: mp_colonist: clearly 'platonist' - thinks that particular bit of magic 'works when you plug it in.'
mp_colonist: ah, because you gotta know how to carpent to not end up hammering your finger "accidentally" and "because you didn't see it" ?
mp_colonist: why not ? why the blindspot ?
mp_colonist: they're JUST AS "magical" as the examples he gives.
asciilifeform: 'picked up the piece - move.' yes.
mp_colonist: tell me this : how come he doesn't include an ydiscussion of the notion of number, or sphere in there ?
mp_colonist: well the pretense is in the pudding.
asciilifeform: mp_colonist: the man is a geologist (as far as i can judge - a good one) and an amateur scholar of crackpottery. no pretenses at being a monumental philosopher.
mp_colonist: so he fights with utterly reductionist meaninglessness, to discover it's meaningless
decimation: whereas most users of mathematica probably go out of their way (rejecting alternatives) to buy a license (using usg's money of course)
mp_colonist: i might, but the problem is that he's attacking a high level problem and lacks the basics
asciilifeform: mp_colonist: write to him! dollars to doughnuts, he'll have an interesting answer.
decimation: then find that they can't afford the license fee when they want to buy it with their lunch money
asciilifeform: decimation: they sure do.
mp_colonist: "metaphisics by [dubious] scientists - we've not figured anything positive on our own so here's what we got to say about a whole subject we never formally studied"
decimation: I suspect a major part of the motivation for 'matlab clone' is that young programmers have matlab stuff down their throats, as explained above
asciilifeform: mp_colonist: dutch is the same guy who did the symmetry-groups thing. he has an astonishing spectrum of strange.
mp_colonist: about on par with a sex treatise by a typical 17 yo
mp_colonist: https://www.uwgb.edu/dutchs/PSEUDOSC/21CMagic.HTM << this thing for the record is atrociously bad
asciilifeform: and probably has bearing on the fundamental pathologies of what we call 'open source.'
asciilifeform: decimation: the question of why no 'octave'-like clone exists for mathematica, is not uninteresting
decimation: there's no 'open source mimic' of mathematica, which would be the first step toward improvement I should think
asciilifeform would rather boil his belt & accordion than eat it.
asciilifeform has never had the pleasure of actually tasting this 'marvel.'
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: As survivor of the soviet system and pending survivor of the Americunt system... WHy does Velveeta come in block, shredded and sliced forms???
asciilifeform: venomous ants, to get it up ?
asciilifeform: bury the fscking turds. viagra exists, do we need penis vacuums and stinging beetles in cups ?
decimation: I agree from my limited experience with mathematica that its graphical 'repl' is unique
asciilifeform did not exhume this item to praise 'mathematica' but to bury it - it's an example of something everybody else should have copied and used as permanent baseline for anything new, like kalashnikov.
asciilifeform: ascii input & output, terrible for any real mathematical work
decimation: yeah that's pretty much what I encoutered
asciilifeform: decimation: university labs are given a 'complete package' with instrument libraries, etc.; students forced to use.
decimation: I prototype using matlab, but I find the 'index starts at 1' fortranism enraging
asciilifeform: decimation: classic vendor lock-in. disgusting turd.
mp_colonist: exactly. not my kinda thing
decimation: matlab is the de facto standard for dsp development
asciilifeform: must really be seen to be understood.
asciilifeform: but herr w. isn't paying me to create addicts. i'm almost sorry i mentioned it...
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decimation: asciilifeform: yeah you are right of course. matlab has a 'symbolic' toolbox but the actual programming language is not the same at all
mp_colonist: asciilifeform, can you put the difference in twelve words ?
mats_cd03: now thats a zinger
mp_colonist: so then also q ?
asciilifeform: decimation: not even remotely the same.
decimation: from my experience the other competing program is 'matlab'
mp_colonist: i just hate the format. fucking visual thinkers psssshhh. sinners.
mp_colonist: even if it had tits.
asciilifeform: to answer this question, for those who really are certain they wish to know.
asciilifeform: i was always too lazy to answer this question (and don't fancy getting folks addicted, i laboured under abject druggie hell from it) but the film exists now
mp_colonist: BingoBoingo, only goes to show i speak with ht eweight of experience.
assbot: Logged on 11-04-2014 18:39:14; mircea_popescu: my penis is half digested by all the saliva
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mp_colonist: i feel like the bodymod people
JuliaTourianski: +mp_colonist ahhaah truth
mp_colonist: so we're at the point in hipster evolution where cute rebel late hs chicks misrepresent themselves as associated with us for the benefit of w/e cute boy named ethan ?
asciilifeform: beyond it being there on tap when necessary.
BingoBoingo: mp_colonist> try having your pecker in a mouth four a few hours a day for a few days and see what sore truely means << Wasn't this limiting factor discussed this spring?
asciilifeform: most of the humiliation serves no immediate purpose
mp_colonist: have them suck your desk legs
mp_colonist: try having your pecker in a mouth four a few hours a day for a few days and see what sore truely means
mp_colonist: asciilifeform, wouldn't last long. this cock sucking thing... truth is, the penis doens't last too long even to normal copulatory friction. saliva is digestive.
decimation: zooming out further, probably more than 90% of the revenue for wolfram comes from usg
asciilifeform: where he could easily ask most of the hardcore users to suck his cock as a condition of license renewal - and many would.
asciilifeform: i linked to the film not because anything in it is new (the maniac renamed the product after himself, for no reason, but this is uninteresting) but to demonstrate a genuine monopoly product
mp_colonist: guys inside eat the food, buncha derps outside eat peanuts
BingoBoingo: <decimation> right, but in a restaurant you don't have one guy who eats 80% of the food and everyone else eats peanuts << Not undeard of
decimation: right, but in a restaurant you don't have one guy who eats 80% of the food and everyone else eats peanuts
asciilifeform: in that most of their revenue comes from 'whales.'
decimation: mp_colonist: this is standard behavior among us 'tech' companies
mp_colonist: asciilifeform, you know, this strikes me as kinda silly. a la restaurant that will mistreat customers ordering $7 worth of coffee because they didn't buy $40 worth of pizza or w/e
asciilifeform: mp_colonist: i am very glad they did not fix. relying on black box turd for a critical piece of mechanics was stupid, and it was necessary to pay with suffering for it (did.)
BingoBoingo: <decimation> BingoBoingo: why not work for the library in exchange for money? << Managing paper is a dying niche
mp_colonist: decimation, try and guess.
mp_colonist: penetrating the scene what is this, mtv