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mike_c: but to audit existing btc wallet? forget it.
kuzetsa: mircea_popescu: but... I don't have any cgi on the httpd, nor are any of the other daemons the sort which use environment variables to pass stuff around (using bash or otherwise)
mike_c: if i wrote a new btc wallet (or managed development thereof), it would be secure for fear of above methods
mike_c: these methods (beating, wot, etc) could be applied to new software
mircea_popescu: kuzetsa the server in question ?
asciilifeform: conceivably, most of the mass present.
asciilifeform: to create the bullet from shit-diamond, it is necessary to remove most of the extraneous matter.
asciilifeform: notice that the analogy is closer than one might like
mircea_popescu: whether to make the piss freeze or to try and electrolytically separate iron from shit is an exercise left for the engineer.
mircea_popescu: if in a worldwide septic tank, we're going for it.
mircea_popescu: if he says this sitting right next to a lathe i'm going to smack his head on the lathe.
mircea_popescu: the goal is not the context.
mircea_popescu: depends of the context.
asciilifeform: but if engineer tells you this, you will kick him.
mircea_popescu: besides. there's iron in the heme that the shit is mostly comprised of.
asciilifeform: russian saying 'you can't mold a bullet from shit' isn't strictly true - you could, had you sufficient energy, convert the shit into diamond and have bullet
mircea_popescu: as long as you let me beat them selectively i'll have my bomb, and some adoring princesses to follow me around to boot.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: different gedankenexperiment. take redditgurlz, say a dozen. lock them in a dungeon, no food until invent hydrogenbomb.
mircea_popescu: in fact, it's the sentinels that distinguish army from band of drunken revelers.
mircea_popescu: there's no such thing as "the army is generally watching the surroundings". no dude, sentinels, since 2000 years ago and never with an exception since.
mircea_popescu: unless a meteor falls, they're coming home with 10 kids.
mircea_popescu: case 2, every hour of the day one adult is in charge of watching the kids. if anything happens he's in for murder.
mircea_popescu: they come home with eight in the best case.
mircea_popescu: let's model this. people with young children go camping. 20 adults, 10 children. case 1, "people generally" look after the kids.
mircea_popescu: it's only empirically false because it's so easy to lie.
asciilifeform: which stone in the roller << this is the basic premise behind 'many eyes' theory, - and we know it is empirically false.
mircea_popescu: you don't need round stones to produce round stones. you just need a rotative process.
mircea_popescu: which stone in the roller made the quartz round ?
asciilifeform: nothing to distill.
mircea_popescu: in order for the job to be done, nobody needs to do it.
asciilifeform: so you end up with a sub-wot for this that's 100 percent scammer by weight.
mircea_popescu: i don't think you properly understand grinding.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the basic problem is that anyone who tells you that he can do this job - is a liar, right off the bat
mircea_popescu: just because they meanwhile fell off doesn't mean you didn't need them to get here.
asciilifeform: yes - but where are the oars on 'airbus' ?
mircea_popescu: the reason airbus is a thing is because the romans forced men to push oars.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform all flight started with the galley slave.
asciilifeform: yes, they exist. yes, olympic athletes have lifted two metres high for two minutes.
mircea_popescu: except, twice as much, plus all the other benefits of not having to deal with the insane arbitrariety of only doing it to half the population
mircea_popescu: once the "you have one chance, don't fuck it up" model gets implemented universally, we'll have a wholesale return to the pleasant mores of the society constructed on enforcing the same principle upone women only.
mircea_popescu: all the current fucktards calling themselves "developers" would find themselves in the positon of taaki, maxwell et co stat, once someone started leveraging that model aginst their scummy, indolent, ignorant idiocy.
mircea_popescu: the wot cuts right through that.
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mircea_popescu: consider the culture shock a certain justin o'connell endured at my hands : http://trilema.com/2014/so-the-dollar-vigilante-scam-ring-is-going-to-jail/#comment-108121
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the wot is the poison pill.
mircea_popescu: no, they aren't ; if they were it'd be suicidal.
mircea_popescu: jurov: redhat would be in a position to do it << redhat is a usg subcontractor. this is like saying goldman sachs is in a position to break the aml/kyc bullshit ring.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: code auditing without a serious 'poison pill contract' turns into 'elephant repellant.'
mircea_popescu: so if your per line price can be few enough satoshi, this is a valid business model.
mircea_popescu: jurov: is anyone willing to pay "we have read the code for you" kind of security? <<< yes. but it's like the case with drinking water : people ARE wiling to pay for drinking water ; people are not willing to pay to have a dam constructed.
kuzetsa: Naphex, asciilifeform: yeah... I've had to stop neglecting a production server and finally run updates today because of shellshock :(
wywialm: Oh, yeah. In this we certainly agree
mircea_popescu: "map is not the territory", "stat rosa pristina nomine, nomina nuda tenemus", pick your poison.
mircea_popescu: wywialm no, you're right, it's just... it's a fundamental idea that saw much expression.
wywialm: I recall something close stated in Investigations, in the flavour of "the meaning is use"
mircea_popescu: for that matter, it's a direct pastiche of knight, “You cannot fix a machine by just power-cycling it with no understanding of what is going wrong.”
wywialm: mircea_popescu, that sounds very much like Wittgenstein - correct me if i'm wrong
mircea_popescu: but really, that's just as much nonsense.
mircea_popescu: people figured it'd work maybe if you not teach him to say goto 10
mircea_popescu: which is why you can have good programmers that speak english, russian or whatever else natively, as well as c or lisp or whatever else ; but you can't make someone a good programmer by teaching him to say i++;
mircea_popescu: the variety speak is not the words, it's the variety.
mircea_popescu: this is exactly the case in here. to imagine one can somehow magically learn "the language" without a) passing the requisite tests and b) interiorising the culture that spawned that language is naive. and if a and b is satisfgied, the form of language is really moot anyway.
mircea_popescu: ing even may be an excessive requirement. if on the other hand in a room with a woman that doesn't want to, you can be e a poe for all the good it'll do you.
mircea_popescu: bounce: now it would help if we can properly articulate what ails us. but we can't, because the terminology has been deliberately confused and watered down and broadened and stretched (by the industry) so as to spread FUD more effectively << you are very naive to imagine the terminology has anything to do with it. point in case : if in a room with a woman that wants to fuck me, i don't need to speak her language. point
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mike_c: seemed to be heading that direction :)
mircea_popescu: mike_c: meet behind the school at noon << yo!
mircea_popescu: this bullshit where the lower classes are pushing the language out of shape because they're filthy and stupid can not be tolerated.
mircea_popescu: mats_cd03: language drifts news at 11 << language drifting so as to serve the interests and needs of the upper class is fine.
gribble: Dekker3D was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 11 weeks, 4 days, 0 hours, 40 minutes, and 47 seconds ago: <Dekker3D> I remember someone who used this.
asciilifeform: (who, of late, have actually been selling a computer in that shape.)
asciilifeform: i finally realized - they cribbed the 'dust bin' from -- apple.
jurov: asciilifeform: me too. but that's the usg-approved look
mircea_popescu: since they can't find a sponge that comfortably fits a calender
mircea_popescu: and decide that condoms are bad for africa and pills bad for the environment
asciilifeform: jurov: am i the only one who instantly thought 'dust bin' ?
mircea_popescu: after he rolls her around in flour to see where it sticks they have long soulfull talk
mircea_popescu: the feminist is a 650 lb mountain dew and icecream behemoth with a very popular twitter profile, and a lot of lj experience.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the guy is a 65 lb environmentalist vegan artist with a lot of etsy success, on lesswrong and patronize or w/e that donation site is.
mircea_popescu: this is exactly what's going on. kids are wired to monkey, so they monkey.
mircea_popescu: bounce: VERY DANGEROUS UBERHACKERS << ever see a woman with a little girl trying to cook while the little girl stirred some random items in a smaller pot immitating her ?
jurov: http://bitstash.com/ such gems i keep finding today. hardened bluetooth!!1
asciilifeform: feminist environmentalist dies of contradiction - hormonal pills, pissed out into the ground water, destroying rare fish - etc.
mircea_popescu: and they'll probably meet, and have a child.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves: they wanna jedi mind trick the fappening and NSA etc << there's probably a feminst and an environmentalist somewhere in the us that actually will buy into it.
mircea_popescu: in unrelated news : i've added an email filter rule to drop anything with "bounce" in the headers. best rule ever.
mircea_popescu: "Username/password combinations don’t cut it anymore, and Two-Factor authentication is a great way to help secure user accounts. If you have an account with a system that supports it, you should be using it."
asciilifeform: (and yes - we know author of 'heartbleed.' and he's alive and well and still contributing code to public projects, afaik. why? don't ask me)
asciilifeform: so when do we learn the name of the malicious-c-contest artist who gave us 'shellshock' ?
Naphex: what a stupid payload to even ping back
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Naphex: they're quick to update
Naphex: lots of .govs love it too
asciilifeform: (fingers were already published, for anyone who needs my fingertips to unlock a nuke or whatever)
nubbins`: "those tippies are unusually smooth", i said to myself
asciilifeform: wanted to see if anyone would notice.
asciilifeform: ;;later tell ben_vulpes puzzle, because am n00b: http://imgur.com/a/JggcG << why does parting tool produce a spiral finish? and what determines the geometry of the spiral?
jurov: ;;titlasers should be a thing
Naphex: people running CGI must be blowing their minds right now
Naphex: woot, so bash env backdoor, who would've tought :o