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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform we got the infrastructure. the guilotine, so to speak, is built.
asciilifeform: not even pretending to bother to hide.
asciilifeform: today - no list. today all we have is loud, proud enemy, bragging about his deeds
mircea_popescu: nobdy gives a shit about the author. writing software is like taking a shit, worthless.
mircea_popescu: decimation not contributors. filter by the people who read and signed off on this code.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform mind that heuristics don't work well when lustration lists are involved.
asciilifeform: heuristic: 1) piece of shit? 2) mysteriously ubiquitous? 3) quickly? 4) author is socially connected to other derpers pushing similar items that match 1-4 ?
mircea_popescu: we got the wot, let's use the wot.
mircea_popescu: then let people filkter it out by their own criteria.
mircea_popescu: <decimation> asciilifeform: the next step: somehow get a unix distribution that completely excludes contributions from the lustration list << i still think the correct solution is a github that does signed reads
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu> avahi, incidentally, was an atrocious piece of shit << But it copies the also compeltely unwanted Bonjour piece of shit so well
asciilifeform: another heuristic that invariably tells us where to dig.
mircea_popescu: it's incredible anyone seriously takes its author for a coder.
asciilifeform: decimation: just as a cockroach in your kitchen means, inescapably, that not far from it there is a seething brown mass of his brothers.
mircea_popescu: decimation look, the plan to turn open source into windows lite is proceeding apace.
asciilifeform: decimation: this is how you find them.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> kept, possibly, in the deeds register << feel free.
decimation: what I find interesting is that systemd has become standard in redhat enterprise 7
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it 'requires' whatever the shitgnomes place in the 'requires' list.
mircea_popescu: <decimation> asciilifeform: yeah that appears to be the situation. I don't understand how a gui desktop 'requires' a particular init system <<< join the conga line heh.
decimation: probably not, but they aren't even trying anymore
mircea_popescu: decimation and they were never ver ygood at it either.
mats_cd03: they're comfy man, i don't know what to say
decimation: http://meritbadge.org/wiki/index.php/Tracking "The Stalking merit badge was one of the original 57 merit badges issued by the Boy Scouts of America in 1911; it was discontinued in 1952."
mircea_popescu: and if you're going to do that, best make it pampers ?
mircea_popescu: mats_cd03 help me out here. so you wore the same underwear for two weeks,
mats_cd03: its not really necessary. depends on the person
mircea_popescu: <bounce> I suspect an expert would gather a few good trackers and catch the guy in a week with ~30 people or so. << what trackers. this is 2014.
mats_cd03: worst part was... they were only crusty when they weren't being worn.
BingoBoingo: <kakobrekla> 'amazon for shenzhen' < isnt that aliexpress or smth << Basically the Alibabba thing gets its fame as where American small and medium businesses get their entire inventory
decimation: whenever I load an alibaba page it makes me feel certain I'm about to be scammed
mats_cd03: my usual undergarments were soiled and crusty after 2 weeks in the field
decimation: I guess I haven't used either of those
kakobrekla: 'amazon for shenzhen' < isnt that aliexpress or smth
mircea_popescu: what the fuck, minor celebrity
mats_cd03: diapers + baby wipes are god's gift to men in the field
mircea_popescu: there's been teenage girl wailings pretty much non stop for an hour
asciilifeform: mats_cd03: what's the rationale for diapers ?
mircea_popescu: so there's this theatre right outside my windo, where a derpy guy does i dunno what dances.
decimation: it is amusing that ebay has effectively become 'amazon for shenzhen'
asciilifeform: mats_cd03 << did you wear them ?
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> why would you wear devices to make the piss cling to you ?! << This is why I suspect a bit of cargo cult happening
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: u.s. army issues diapers. ask them - not me
mircea_popescu: why would you wear devices to make the piss cling to you ?!
mircea_popescu: i don't get it. so you just take a piss.
asciilifeform: decimation: i've never bought them anywhere else.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: Official Truth holds that he's a ww2 reenactor gone off the spools
asciilifeform: decimation: yes, bureaucrats demand some electrical tests to show that 'black' won't short to 'red' by accident.
decimation: no, and I think that particular chip isn't available to regular humans
asciilifeform: decimation: understand that this had no bearing on usg-triggered surprises.
decimation: "Key to the NSA's approval is the ability of the Spartan-6Q device to isolate user functionality within a single device while maintaining tamper proofing. The NSA completed a fail-safe analysis effort on the Spartan-6Q family to confirm that the individual regions of the FPGA are isolated from each other in the event of failure. "
asciilifeform: both, afaik, market primarily to usg and subsidiaries
asciilifeform: to make long story short, there are exactly two vendors of 'high-density' fpga, and their products are almost exactly alike - more so even than 'coca cola' and 'pepsi.'
asciilifeform: it would be fairly simple to include a pattern match for 'magic bus cycle' or 'magic instruction' on built-in-cpu that will, e.g., short supply to ground.
asciilifeform: almost always there are 'convenient' things rolled in - like pci-e support
asciilifeform: it is virtually impossible now to buy a pure fpga.
asciilifeform: i can take an educated guess, however.
decimation: yeah point taken. presumably satan will have your netlist anyway, if you want your part to be open to inspection
asciilifeform: (i don't insist there is no interesting answer to this question, just confess that i don't know one)
asciilifeform: what can one accomplish on fpga, knowing nothing about your opponent's future purpose for it, with a small turd ?
asciilifeform: so the turd has to be subtle
asciilifeform: an unexpected cpu in the middle of fpga LUT fabric would stand out even under optical microscope.
asciilifeform: likewise, when people ponder 'chip boobytraps' they are normally thinking of a one-transistor turdlet that creates an 'evil instruction' or whatnot
asciilifeform: if satan is merely listening to your i/o, this is a listening device in the ordinary sense, and not really fpga-specific diddling
asciilifeform: in fact, even if satan lifts the entire netlist of your design, he will have to sweat a great deal to understand which bits to flip.
decimation: satan would give up and bug the toolchain
decimation: satan would have to know a great deal about you design
asciilifeform: none of the 'printing' brouhaha places integrated circuit any closer to manufacture in your kitchen.
asciilifeform: it's a leper's bell for grantsmanship and chumpatronics of the most tedious sort.
bounce: printable electronics getting closer, should be an interestin proof-of-concept though I wouldn't expect to even get full mipsen out of it.
asciilifeform: as far as i can tell
asciilifeform: partly because, the amount of damage a dishonest vendor can do is actually minimal
asciilifeform: the vendors (there are exactly two worth mentioning, 'xilinx' and 'altera' - the others sell miniscule turdlets, most often with zero linux toolchain support) also play fast & loose with the word 'gate'
bounce: boo. oh well. back to ttl then (magic-1.org)
decimation: they have little 'units' of logic glued together, with a little look-up table to determine how each one functions
asciilifeform: bounce: nope. most fpga work is carried out in units considerably larger than 'gate', from considerations of efficiency.
decimation: bounce: ultimately you are still trusting the fpga maker
bounce: you'd at least have access from the gate design on up, already a bit more than COTS CPUs give you
kakobrekla: and heres the fourth.
asciilifeform: bounce: search channel logs re: at least three separate discussions of how this came to be
decimation: yeah there's a spectrum between 'honest mistake' and 'massive fuck-up'
asciilifeform: bounce: all the extant fpga have tightly closed architecture
bounce: tangentially, shouldn't it be feasible to get decent performance out of a suitably open-and-accessible-microcode cpu running on some fpga or other these days?
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: and, in fact, should be presumed dead, and the fellow walking around with my key - ought to go on list.
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: if the item i am presently working on is not easily provable honest to an educated reader, then i will deserve to be placed on the list.
bounce didn't catch on to hiding behind lame excuses with the openssl folks, but if so that ought to be enough to get the s/w booted entirely, not just revamped.
decimation: kakobrekla: a worthy dream, but the problem is that if everyone did that, then nobody would make such a platform
kakobrekla: dare to continue as is, you will, sooner or later, find yourself on the list.
kakobrekla: nah. basically everyone should just drop their keyboards and stop coding until there exists a platform where not guilty by default (of using it)
asciilifeform: decimation: at the moment, proven, proud, unrepentant вредители are 'respected faces of the komyooniti', doing as they please.
bounce: we could use better hardware, too
decimation: the problem is that nearly all hardware vendors would be on the list too
asciilifeform: bounce: i posit that it must be presumed intentional. the shitgnomes hide behind the impossibility of logically proving their guilt.
kakobrekla: and then we can start pretending.
decimation: asciilifeform: the next step: somehow get a unix distribution that completely excludes contributions from the lustration list
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> what's the most they're going to do ? pay 20k a year for his support ? << Incarceration, especially at the federal level is rarely so inexpensive for the jailers
asciilifeform: specifically in light of the historic re-enactment role he's supposedly playing.
bounce: you think heartbleed was intentional?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: notice i said 'arse grenade' not 'cyanide tooth.'
asciilifeform: the hidden little shitgnomes like author of heartbleed - they are the ones who needs the lethal sunlight rays the most.