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MolokoDesk: put people with high profiles on their boards of directors that do nothing but waive attending the annual meeting.
MolokoDesk: anyway, I know how startups are. they do anything to make their "forward-looking statements" remain plausible for as long as possible.
MolokoDesk: usually CSO isn't an honorary title. oh well.
mircea_popescu: bounce that it is.
bounce: it's called "best current practice" and the industry is full of it.
MolokoDesk: but then Mark Karpeles was in that too.
MolokoDesk: yeah, he's kind of verbal intervention and keynote speaker. Not sure what his early role in bitcoin is. I think he may have been in the first round bitcoin foundation group.
bounce: what, decals don't fix engines? news to me.
mircea_popescu: cause "it's their car"
mircea_popescu: this is like complaining that the decals didn't fix the engine.
mircea_popescu: guy's a mascota, talking muppethead.
mircea_popescu: how the fuck is it "his"
MolokoDesk: and I think he has a stronger background in security than I do.
MolokoDesk: I know you've noticed the criticism A.Andropoulos has been getting.
MolokoDesk: ok. I'll look into this. I'm not a security guy and linux admin is not something I do regularly, just as needed for my own projects.
mircea_popescu: you're taking a sizeable bite here, if you manage to run all this for a while and not get hacked you'll have all the cred you could possibly want
MolokoDesk: if people are comfortable with the size of their deposits at risk, and the risk level that's doable.
mircea_popescu: webwallet done right is also tumblr by default.
MolokoDesk: authing people to make payment on the cred of their freenode nick, I guess that works if you trust gribble's data.
mircea_popescu: nothing unsound about it. it's the right way.
MolokoDesk: but the most expedient way to do it.
MolokoDesk: yeah, I can do that. it's not clear how i'd store the accounts yet. Probably an SQL database, but if it's storing pooled funds in a single wallet that's kind of an unsound practice.
punkman: guess it works then
MolokoDesk: bot trigger collision may need some work. laff.
punkman: check here towards bottom http://www.postalrocket.com/DEEDS/fa744e93884d6c682d2192ebbd32c42ad687e4c6124dc825a5edd7f1eeef9e23-1FP8USe3QqUwUtZToPa66kiATraZ77jizv.txt
MolokoDesk: ok. uh, where does that happen, just a report from deedBot?
punkman: MolokoDesk: no, unicode in the message
assbot: .balance Your balance with me is XXX. [If balance over X btc] This is excessive - Pastebin.com
MolokoDesk: you're talking abut the unicode dashes in the PGP signed message delimiters?
assbot: .balance Your balance with me is XXX. [If balance over X btc] This is excessive - Pastebin.com
MolokoDesk: did I miss the spec?
RagnarDanneskjol: i dont think he follows
mircea_popescu: MolokoDesk so are you making the payments extension ?
MolokoDesk: we're still trying to break deedBot, but I think it passes.
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mircea_popescu: i am the avatar of splitting.
mircea_popescu: RagnarDanneskjol i dun gas when, he did it before the end of the month.
RagnarDanneskjol: AAA seems a bit generous. it is the last day of the month]
gribble: Error: For identification purposes, you must be authenticated to use the rating system.
MolokoDesk: there's a low balance message that's never been activated yet.
MolokoDesk: if I put something up elsewhere on the same server that's just another exposure risk
MolokoDesk: I do so much stuff on this VM ... my dev activities are probably the biggest risk.
assbot: .balance Your balance with me is XXX. [If balance over X btc] This is excessive - Pastebin.com
MolokoDesk: or on a server instance where that's the only thing running there.
MolokoDesk: if there's serious btc flow through a payment system I'd think we'd want to put this on a dedicated server instead of the virtual machine where it is now.
MolokoDesk: payments extension: what is that about?
mircea_popescu: well he was in the link to why bitbet is bad on yc.
assbot: View the profile of jimmothy
mircea_popescu: fluffypony dude look at that jimothy guy still fightin' the good fight, one year and a half later, 2.x k posts in.
MolokoDesk: other point of security would be the keyring for ;;eauth
MolokoDesk: the source on the private GITHub has stubs for that info.
MolokoDesk: however. if you had access to the source code, which is stored outside of webspace, you'd have enough info to spend the wallet using the API.
mircea_popescu: which brings us to the nextr q : would you like to develop a payments extension for this ?
MolokoDesk: it's secure enough that nobody would spend time trying to hack it for $20
MolokoDesk: none of that is fake-able.
mircea_popescu: MolokoDesk well so then i'd better only send .1 or something ?
MolokoDesk: it doesn't matter how the BTC is spent.
MolokoDesk: yeah, we decided the wallet is disposable, all of the security is in the signatures and blockchain.
MolokoDesk: just change the API key and "secret" to spend.
mircea_popescu: MolokoDesk it's an old discussion this.
MolokoDesk: so far nobody has the passphrase or keys or passwords but me.
RagnarDanneskjol: molo - how secure is that wallet?
MolokoDesk: I've always been intrigued by prediction marketplaces. The theory is that markets efficiently integrate all available information, so the price reflects some sort of best-estimate of the probability of the predicted events.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile the yc bitbet thread ? where is it ? "o, let's ignore and pretend that means we can stay relevant"
assbot: Truthcoin: Trustless, Decentralized Bitcoin Prediction Marketplace | Hacker News
MolokoDesk: running out of BTC would make it stop registering to the blockchain and the result might be one big giant deed bundle whenever that was remedied.
MolokoDesk: yeah, the program flow is sufficiently linear that it's not going to halt if something 500 server errors out at the API level.
mircea_popescu: honestly i don't expect anything to break, since php is so stable and everything.
MolokoDesk: it's likely that deedBot degrade gracefully. if any process in the chain stops things still get set up for the next bundle.
mircea_popescu: it's not mission critical, it's in the "can wait a day can't wait a week" pile.
MolokoDesk: ok. well that time frame is casual. it would be fixed at my earliest convenience same-day.
mircea_popescu: MolokoDesk no i mean, the fixing.
MolokoDesk: yeah, no rush on decisions about that.
mircea_popescu: MolokoDesk it's not that essential. can wait a day.
MolokoDesk: there'd be some way to send a message to my phone or desk.
mircea_popescu: well something reasonable, nothing set. if you're in the hospital and take half a week nobody's gonna sue.
RagnarDanneskjol: whats your expectation for response time mp? on any bot maintenance
MolokoDesk: I noticed that some people responded immediately by hand to stuff I sent to their bots.
MolokoDesk: well, what's the attention span of a bot op adquate to service the trading/contract flow here?
mircea_popescu: (people go "talk to mp". apparently mp does too.)
mircea_popescu: talk to me. ☟︎
MolokoDesk: it'd be ok with being the on-going bot op here. we'd have to work something out.
mircea_popescu: MolokoDesk question was whether you want ot be the one running this or not.
MolokoDesk: now that the architecture and methods and algorithms are worked out it should be faster to complete.
Azelphur: mircea_popescu: fair enough, yea I'm not too active here
mircea_popescu: Azelphur http://stats.bitcoin-assets.com/ << not that counts are the end all be all, but with 500 lines in the past year, you can't be.
mircea_popescu: RagnarDanneskjol you're paying for that. it's a worthy cause :)
MolokoDesk: the hashing spec is just SHA256 of the file converted to a bitcoin address.
RagnarDanneskjol: I might ask Alz to give it a crack
mircea_popescu: MolokoDesk well sure. gribble can't be permaout of the loop :p
MolokoDesk: so I guess gribble is still in the loop, but not as part of the bundling process.
RagnarDanneskjol: I'd like to see it in pyth asafp
MolokoDesk: the logic for handing an ;;eauth challenge is already in. when it logs on and identifies to freenode it issues an ;;eauth deedBot to gribble and picks up any challenge response, decrypts the item and does the ;;everify
mircea_popescu: MolokoDesk okay, what's your gameplan here, do you want to also run this as a going concern ?
MolokoDesk: probably #bitcoin-assets watching it work long enough for you to take delivery of it.
assbot: The Bitcoin Lordship list, first revision pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: Azelphur http://trilema.com/2014/the-bitcoin-lordship-list-first-revision/ << making it in one of these.
Azelphur: speaking of assbot trust levels, what does it take to get into assbots l1 trust?
mircea_popescu: well ok. if it's too much we'll fiddle with it or something. it is better code.
MolokoDesk: http://www.postalrocket.com/DEEDS_TEST/ASSBOT_TRUST_LEVELS.json this is updated by a cron job ever 15 minutes.