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mircea_popescu: "freenode group registration is currently suspended, as the group registration process became significantly backlogged to the point that it was not viable to continue taking new registrations. This is an unfortunate side-effect of the combination of the following"
mircea_popescu: you don't have to name the group = the channel do you.
teward: (#bitcoin-* is typically considered #bitcoin, like #anything-* is #anything)
mircea_popescu: o they don't do that anymore ?
mircea_popescu: teward i was thinking of making a group reg.
teward: mircea_popescu: unless #bitcoin-assets is its own Group Registration, it falls in the #bitcoin* namespace
mircea_popescu: and yes, freenode policy is to cloak bots by maintainer.
bounce: for freenode, whoever has access to the backend and can fix it if it goes amok
RagnarDanneskjol: uhh, thought some person needs to secure keypair for anygiven bot - like I assume kako has assbot's
RagnarDanneskjol: no - need to sort out who registers/owns it
mircea_popescu: yeah well would you listen to icahn /
bounce: only after icahn badgered them to do it for months
mircea_popescu: bounce omidyar has figured out paypal / website payments are dead in the water, selling it while he's ahead of the curve.
bounce: ebay to spin out paypal again. huh.
mircea_popescu: (easy to arb, too, go on fiverr, have 20 people write articles, get 2 accepted by coindeks, profit)
mircea_popescu: $90 buys you an hour's work of a professional. their articles are 15 minute jobs by 3rd worlders. 9 bux is a gross exaggeration.
mircea_popescu: punkman like hell they do.
bounce: s/combines/spits out/ (from the combination, etc.)
bounce: now I wonder, if you provide an oracle that combines a programmatically generated key from (secret) seed and (public) user number, would that be enough to recover the secret?
nanotube: mircea_popescu: re db queries - depends on frequency of gribble queries. if you'd be querying gribble more than once per 15 min, get the db.
mircea_popescu: bounce notrly. you use a single address chiefly because that way mitm is pointless.
mircea_popescu: MolokoDesk maybe instead of hashing,keep a serial of when people go .deposit and use that,
mircea_popescu: bounce actually hashing isn't even the right approach, should serialize.
mircea_popescu: easy enough for anyone to test it, send 10k satoshi see if you get it.
mircea_popescu: bounce true.
bounce: you start having problems well before 10000, that with hash collissions and everything
MolokoDesk: what's the likely volume of the pooled wallet for what... 50 people?
mircea_popescu: and if it becomes a problem we move to 6 or w/e. not that any irc chan ever had 10k members online.
MolokoDesk: 10k transactions. oh. each user has a unique 4-digits always the same. their "account number" sure.
MolokoDesk: there are only 10000 of those.
MolokoDesk: amount would also have to math.
MolokoDesk: uh, what chance of two people randomly choosing the same 4-digit deposit suffix?
mircea_popescu: all ingredients for a secure system are there.
MolokoDesk: ok. with two audit trails that should be bulletproof, if it's all done in this channel the published channel logs are a matter of record. the payment extension also keeps an audit trail and a database.
mircea_popescu: hardened systems means among other things breaking the convenient assumptions of the enemy.
mircea_popescu: maybe someone wants to donate to them.
mircea_popescu: MolokoDesk who's to know ?
mircea_popescu: and you only have one address in your wallet, and pay from it whenever someone asks and that's that.
MolokoDesk: "oh gosh, that guy revealed the check digits of his paymet.. I'm going to make a payment to the same person for no reason with THE SAME LAST DIGITS!" = not likely to be motivated by anything.
mircea_popescu: people can use it whatever way they please.
mircea_popescu: one doesn't presume anything. this is how the system works.
MolokoDesk: I guess one presumes nobody wants to give people money at random.
mircea_popescu: no need for any of that. you just use a hash of their userid to generate a 4 digit pin, and credit to their acct all deposits to your address that have that pin for last 4 digits.
MolokoDesk: they send you a microchange digit set and you confirm on that.
mircea_popescu: so then what's the problem ?
MolokoDesk: ohyeah, Igot it that first line.
mircea_popescu: then if you get 1.00001944 you credit it to me.
mircea_popescu: Hi MP. Please send to 1blabla make sure last 4 digits are 1944
MolokoDesk: so they just say "that wallet was mine"?
mircea_popescu: ~~~ [Use last 4 decimals encoding to identify owner]~~~
MolokoDesk: so all you really now is that some wallet somewhere sent you btc.
MolokoDesk: it has to come from a wallet.
MolokoDesk: right. how does one put money into the account in one's nick.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla ikno ikno. gotta tease tho!
mircea_popescu: Send X Bitcoin to Y address. [Use last 4 decimals encoding to identify owner] <
kakobrekla: <mircea_popescu> kakobrekla aren't you glad you closed pritni. < is not that simple.
MolokoDesk: I can figure that out.
MolokoDesk: ok. so they don't need to register a wallet ID with WoT?
MolokoDesk: they'd be sent back to the originator or just forfeited.
MolokoDesk: random payments from unregistered wallets would sit in an account with no owner until someone registered them, but that's not a sound practice.
MolokoDesk: ok, for the payment system, it would create accounts based on wallet of origin of incoming payments. those would be the same wallets registered in web of trust/gribble, I presume.
deedBot: (switching DEEDBOT_CHAN from #cex-squawk to #bitcoin-assets)
jurov: hence no titles
deedBot: (switching DEEDBOT_CHAN from #cex-squawk to #bitcoin-assets)
RagnarDanneskjol: not really, just where testing bot
mircea_popescu: MolokoDesk what channel is that ?
MolokoDesk: just realized that Tao_Jones has a "joke" payment system in it called luzcoin it's not a real coin, it just keeps accounts for people in one IRC channel elsewhere and they mess about with it rhetorically. it has a mining back end that increments the accounts in a sporadic lottery.
mircea_popescu: it HAD to ruin the 31bn bet, and then die right after ?
bounce: so much for "leveraging the synergy"
bounce: well, how can it be if I get called to explain the joke?
mircea_popescu: is this >9k sarcasm ?
mircea_popescu: wait what are you talking about !?
bounce: heroku and google apps both, "for the resiliency"
mircea_popescu: MolokoDesk give the thing a day to think through.
MolokoDesk: well, I can write the payments extension but deciding where to run it may be a different issue.
mircea_popescu: you can use any wp installation to basically probe for free or whatever else.
mircea_popescu: don't even get me started on the topic of wordpress lmao. fucktards put a ddos hole in their xmlrpc
bounce: this isn't usually a problem among the, let's call them "usenet crowd". people who're reasonably good at discussing more than one thing per email and are technically minded so don't take it too personally when asked to answer a technical question.
MolokoDesk: for example I deleted wordpress from this VM. I don't use it and didn't even want it there.
mircea_popescu: MolokoDesk these days, security mostly relies on not updating to the newest set of bugs.
MolokoDesk: as 'security' best practices is mostly don't use certain language constructs, or coding practices that allow exploits from web input.
mircea_popescu: and so management has to fly people all over back and forth all day.
mircea_popescu: bounce the motherfucking answer! is the reason face to face productivity is better, btw. as expensive travel is, sometimes it's unavoidable, as people will mousy over emails for a year if given the chance
MolokoDesk: I'm thinking more of operating system updates, security patches, surveillance.
mircea_popescu: well, good code means you won't have to do it constantly, cause good code never breaks :D
MolokoDesk: yeah, I think that was a symptom of long-term interests in other things.
MolokoDesk: it's not so much not knowing, it's having to do it constantly.
mircea_popescu: MolokoDesk if you're wondering, the entire line was prompted by <MolokoDesk> ok. I'll look into this. I'm not a security guy and linux admin is not something I do regularly
bounce can't get recruiters, hr peeps, or even first line support idjits to f'n answer their emails.
MolokoDesk: I can find out what I need to know.
mircea_popescu: bounce people get strange when put on teh spot huh.
bounce: you lack "answer the question" skills, eh. well, not the only one.
mircea_popescu: mkay. if you're under 30 stfu and learn some unix admining, it can't hurt you. if over 30 you probably have a point focusing on other things.
MolokoDesk: or are you asking whether I grasp the troll aesthetic?
MolokoDesk: we can talk freely. no prob.
mircea_popescu: and that depends on how old you are.
mircea_popescu: because i am trying to determine whether telling you to stfu and learn some unix admining is a good policy or not
RagnarDanneskjol: he is older than us
mircea_popescu: more interested in the under part.
MolokoDesk: nuff said then.