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mircea_popescu: i'm with him.
telling an asshole
to go fuck himself is hands down
the hardest
thing for people.
thickasthieves: sainthood might even be one of
the most expensive
things
bounce: practicing for sainthood isn't
that expensive really.
mircea_popescu: exactly, an abundance in practice does not speak as
to how
the behaviour is expensive.
bounce: does mean a lot of arguing and "convincing" and other crap. doesn't mean
the cost keeps on going up; at some point
the belief just stops.
thickasthieves: when you are rich enough
to do wtf you want, you can practice sainthood and all kinds of "expensive" behavior
bounce: though
the expense of lies is exactly in
the
tracking
to
try and keep'em straight. in some circles
the lies fly so
thick
that everybody knows
there's lots of lying going on, so
there's very little point in keeping'em straight
mircea_popescu: uhm. enough
to pay girlies
to show
their
tits ? i dunno.
bounce was referring
to some scientific study or other. says something about gov't dunnit guv
mircea_popescu: bounce never knew one
that had ulcer. plenty of govt drones did,
tho. fancy
that.
thickasthieves: <+mircea_popescu>
thestringpuller it just makes me rich enough. // is
there a difference, maybe a saint was "rich" enough
too
bounce: though I'll grant
that mobsters risk stomach ulcers more
than most other people
mircea_popescu: and here we make
the junction with how lying is an expensive activity - you gotta keep
track of all
the lies.
mircea_popescu: and since we're on it,
the "keep her busy" ideology of metastatic xtianity is exactly
the same. "no
time
to
think evil."
they actually go out and say it.
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mircea_popescu: bounce yes, you will. spending
their cattle rustling money
trying
to impress
the wenches.
mircea_popescu: the "good hardworking
type" myth is exactly
that,
too fucking exhausted
to be evil.
bounce: well, you won't find cattle rustlers in
the city
mircea_popescu: aand where's malice going
to be found as an art for its own sake ?
bounce: there'll be yokels and fat farmers just like
there'll be city bums and rich city folk.
though I suppose
the city folk might be more likely
to have opportunity
to amass riches.
mircea_popescu: bounce also, postmodernism is fucking with me. pretend
the year is 1950.
mircea_popescu: if i show you
two people
that's all you know about em.
bounce: well, I'd imagine
that food surplusses are more likely in rural settings, and surplusses of "unwanted
things" would be more likely in urban areas
mircea_popescu: where do you suppose it's more likely for a suprlus
to accumulate, urban or rural setting ?
bounce: (there's
this example of big brand name (cisco, forgot
the model) routers
taking
ttl 0 packets and sending
them out again with
ttl 255)
bounce: there's plenty routers
that do mostly
the right
thing but
then subtly
the wrong
thing in some cases, and
the costs doesn't show up as prohibitive
mircea_popescu: im saying routers are expensive, you're saying
there's a lot of internet
traffic.
bounce: .oO( efficacy of greek mythology vs. computer security, discuss in a
ten page essay )
mircea_popescu: anyway,
the implications of a call aren't always obvious, which is a point well understood by security analysts, especilally with all
the practice of late, and also how we ended up with all
that sweet greek mythology about fate.
bounce: it seems
to me
that
the prevalence of crime even in an otherwise well-run system would indicate
that
this model of implied excessive cost isn't representative
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mircea_popescu: should
take care of about a year's worth of your
time.
mircea_popescu: but if anyone's looking for intricate ways
to waste
their
time, feel free
to model a 5 layer system of successive binary calls like
that, see how it affects population survavibility and how much space you need
to be able
to safely fire off both kinds.
mircea_popescu: brain is a repeating mechanism. next
time person is in situation he may call wrongthing() again at a wrong
time.
mircea_popescu: but
the intricacies of calling wrongthing() in such a way as
to not break
the entire fucking stack are staggering.
mircea_popescu: suppose we live in a fully defined world with a fully exposed api consisting of
two functions
mircea_popescu: the expense is in
that it's fucking hard
to have asm instructions add one way
bounce: uhm.
the expense is in
the disagreeability of
the rest of society, in fact it's
the
totality of society
that bears
the cost
mircea_popescu: and it's broken because malice is expensive
to write in software.
mircea_popescu: which is how
they get caught. because
the code is broken
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: no way! and yo upaid for
the lemmings
to be educated.
that makes you a saint possibly.
mircea_popescu: they get out, still burdened by
the ill effects of
their mismanaged flipped bit
bounce: then
they get out, and are unburdened again. and right out after
the easy low fruit
they're not supposed
to
take again.
mircea_popescu: not in one way, but who says
that's got
to be
the way.
bounce: most of
the
time not of
their own volition.
mircea_popescu: they're not like 10x more difficult
to catch each pass, are
they ?
mircea_popescu: if you actually flip a bit in
there, you'll need a shitton of boundry
tests
to not kill yourself with it.
mircea_popescu: to bluntly simplify, what's good for
the cell is good for
the organ is good for
the organism is good for
the group is good for
the world. and
that's how it naturally acts.
bounce: not everyone is actually burdened by such a
thing.
there's a reason petty crooks end up in
the slammer
time and again: inability
to own up
to
their own misdeeds,
to admit it was
them
that dunnit.
mircea_popescu: no,
the cost is
there. conscience is just
the name for it.
bounce: without conscience
there's no cost
mircea_popescu: hence
the "conscience", a pop reference
to
that fixed cost.
mircea_popescu: bounce no see,
the brain is not an abstraction, it's an evolved mechanism.
thus it has some channels which work a certain way
to maintain it alive. malice requires your ability
to isolate super processes from micro processes, so
to have
the former work backwards.
mircea_popescu: the nonlinear junction is
the machine. and nonlinear junction is expensive.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you're basically looking at
the cables.
the cables aren't a machine,
the
transistors are
th machine.
bounce: disagree. for malice you need a certain amount of cunning. if you have
that, it's easy. if not, it's hard.
mircea_popescu: sure, but it's easier
to
teach someone math
than
to
teach someone
to be effectually malicious
mircea_popescu: which is a sort of engineering, for people
thatdidn't get into metals scohol.
bounce: wtf is
this watershed management model
thing?
bounce: one might surmise
that greatness of mind is orthogonal
to what minds
think about
mircea_popescu: which, contrary
to what people
think, is extremely expensive and
thus quite a rare
thing.
mircea_popescu: first explanation i ever heard
that fits
the observable data and doesn't require active malice.
mircea_popescu: MolokoDesk you know
thinking about it... you're very likely exactly correct.
mircea_popescu: bounce "idiots seldom differ" is apparently a natural law, not merely a clever
theorem.
thestringpuller: who other
than a nice person would sacrifice
their sanity
to
try an educate lemmings for a paycheck?
MolokoDesk: I suspect
they're
trying
to apply a watershed management model
to
the atmosphere.
mircea_popescu: the current masquerade is not unlike
that famous monkey
mircea_popescu: i miss
the old days when us people were still living in africa where
they belong and
they fought "climate change" by digging holes in
their labia.
mircea_popescu: chetty fortunately for all of us,
the sulphur lobby ain't got money,
chetty: <dub> one of
the proposed climate hacks is block out
the sun with sulfur// I
think Iceland is
taking care of
that