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asciilifeform: punkman: i personally don't know anyone in love with the geography. but people do get attached to food, shelter.
asciilifeform: folks who actually want to escape from -everything-... fellate their pistols. a more selective solution - takes finesse and resources.
punkman: from over here, it looks to me like half of you wannabe escapees just love murica too much to leave
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hanbot: never been stuck in a gravity well, but i find escape from most anything hinges on ability to recognize and part with things that aren't needed. escape based on what one'd rather keep/is fond of mostly consists of waiting afaik.
asciilifeform: -- also you will need to remove little embedded shrapnel of X from inside your head. this may be the hardest part for some people. visit, e.g, Brooklyn, New York to see what failure looks like here.
asciilifeform: problem of escape is also usefully divisible into two distinct sub-problems - how to get out of X, and how to find Y such that you can eat there and avoid whatever it was that you weren't so fond of at X.
asciilifeform: basic mechanics of escape from a gravity well - and of escape from a country - are very similar, i dare say. you need sufficient energy (usually in the form of hard currency, but can be some unusual substitute like familial, mob, or military 'in
hanbot: why not the debate regarding whether people drowning in puddles should be given a swat?
asciilifeform: bounce: 'if you gotta ask, answer is no' or something like that.
bounce: so, where do I pull me some new non-tainted passports out of the passport dispenser?
asciilifeform: hanbot: or whether folks sentenced to sit on a stake should get oiled or not oiled stake.
asciilifeform: hanbot: this is reminiscent of the debate regarding whether folks being burned at the stake should or should not get a little sack of gunpowder to wear around their neck
hanbot: asciilifeform> unfortunately the only pill against the problem is: suitcase, airplane, new (non-usaschwitz) passport << which is why using app as palliative is particularly heinous (or particularly attractive depending on user sanity)
asciilifeform: 'usaschwitz' should be understood to mean all of nato and quasi-nato u.s. colonies.
dignork: doesn't scale to group sex though
dignork: punkman: not sure about legality, but there is a cypherpunk solution: video recording crypted by 3 keys (Shamir's scheme), 2 keys needed to decode, 1 key at court, 2 other keys are of the involved parties
asciilifeform: there's an interesting set of legal precedents in usa, invalidating any and all concept of sex contract (consent can be withdrawn, e.g., five minutes... 'in' - and thereby, retroactively, if you like, because 'i cancelled five minutes in, in my head, after that it was a rape') etc.
asciilifeform: unfortunately the only pill against the problem is: suitcase, airplane, new (non-usaschwitz) passport.
asciilifeform: the 'sex contract' app may be lame - but there's an actual market for solving actual problem there.
bounce: "help them"? it'll claim the rights and fsck the students.
punkman: I think the university should just film everything, help them pay off that debt
punkman: "The legislature is telling state universities to more aggressively involve themselves in their students' sex lives."
assbot: Can Someone Just Invent an 'I Consent to Sex' iPhone App Already? - Hit & Run : Reason.com
hanbot: all while catering to what insecure users would actually like, which is broadcasting their conquests, real or imagined, to the world.
hanbot: let's leave out the question of whether you should fuck if your decision making relies on a dumbed-down cosmo quiz and pepper the name of the thing with "hot" and "trendy"
hanbot: punkman that good2go piece reads like advertising
punkman: check out JuliaTourianski spreading the word https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oKVb2xFtoro
assbot: /bruces Nobody wants to see Buffet naked.
assbot: The hot new ‘consent’ app, Good2Go, is logging the name and phone number of everyone you have sex with - The Washington Post
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punkman: "nine technical leaders wrote a report, entitled IEEE CS 2022, surveying 23 innovative technologies that could change the industry by the year 2022" < didn't mention bitcoin, because what is a computer and how do I even use it
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assbot: UMass police helped keep student's addiction secret - Metro - The Boston Globe
assbot: Germany plans tougher controls on would-be jihadists
asciilifeform: single-party << usa had this, in multi-muppet mode, for years.
mircea_popescu: nobody even knew that's how the roman matrons dressed.
mircea_popescu: you could say that before angie duff of derpytown, montana thought to dress in a sheet for her school play role as a roman matron
bounce: (which is the only things that counts. provincials.)
mircea_popescu: (first only in the us sense of that term, of course)
mircea_popescu: so maybe we get to see the first one party system in history where people enthusiastically support the idea.
mircea_popescu: usians are notoriously idiotic in that they act all smug about how they're special to have had an axe handle shoved up the butt.
mircea_popescu: depends where the angle is.
bounce: and it'd fsck with the sport of brinkmanship
bounce: won't happen. this schizophrenic one party system has a serious aversion to truth in politics.
mircea_popescu: maybe you get to have some actual fun and the same candidate is endorsed by both caucuses
bounce: yet another "yes we can"-campaign then?
mircea_popescu: bounce nah, democrats never lose an election again, for as long as the pretense of a usa is maintained hence.
mircea_popescu: mats_cd03 pretty much central europeans are the us repository of whiteness.
bounce: on that note, next after obamaman will be what, a republican, maybe a tea-partier, and he'll go make war on whose asses?
kakobrekla: even if its just the servers.
mike_c: and for the record, moving sucks.
mike_c: ;;later tell hanbot it's working now. looks like it was a problem talking to bitbet server. improving the error message is on the todo list. thanks for the bug report.
chetty: hahahaha: tweet: There's not much room left under the Obama bus.
bounce: rode to school in the warped bus, eh
mats_cd03: oughta develop a dope addiction. balance things out.
mats_cd03: being born a german jew would probably be equivalent to living life on easy mode
Dimsler: lol those are all predmoninatly german / jew
mats_cd03: i have met people with all of those surnames
thickasthieves: yeha huff sounds like some euro name that got chopped during immigrations
thickasthieves: never met a person with any of those
mats_cd03: and somewhat tangentially, http://www.census.gov/genealogy/www/data/2000surnames/surnames.pdf
Dimsler: probably a whitey then
Dimsler: looks like 91 / 92 was the ashleys
assbot: Most Popular Baby Names for Girls in the USA (53 Photos)
mats_cd03 trying to evaluate likelihood of being detained over meth spoon
mats_cd03: i could not ascertain whether 'ashley huff' is a common name for whites or blacks through research
bounce: 4 is random enough for me, thanks
bounce: doesn't say what the bond was set at
mircea_popescu: suppose you tell me what number you'd like put on it and we can both go home having recreated the entire us state in five minutes.
mircea_popescu: or if you want i has larger amounts of numbers too.
mircea_popescu: well of course we can put some numbers on this.
bounce: could even work out what's supposed to be the optimal speed through the system and so what the size of the various budgets like for forensic labs should be
bounce: so the question is more of a "can we put some numbers on this?", of about the same accuracy as typical economic numbers like GDP
bounce: or we could consider that accounting seems pretty solid on the outside but then proceeds to consist of lots and lots of handwaving. "what's this worth? well, uhm... how about $thismuch?"
mircea_popescu: the uncertainity principle is exactly due to their being quantified
bounce: well, if you go there I say "uncertainty principle" and energy and matter go out the window too
mircea_popescu: the moral of this koan being that nothing is quantifiable, except for the things which are already : energy and matter. not space, not time, not the chain of causality.
mircea_popescu: for instance, hand't i been a gangster when i was in my teens, i could have gone to school, where i'd have learned many valuable skills and in time maybe even ended up a major revolutionary entrepreneur.
mircea_popescu: bounce to rehash a limb of the previous discussion, you maybe heard that the best way to sink a good start-up is a bad revenue source early on. same thing with your thief : the opportunity cost of being a criminal is major in that you don't feel as much pressure to develop more useful traits.
chetty: (we leave out the month she probably ought to get for eating that crud, but I digress)
mircea_popescu: which is a lot more than the statal excrescency on human society.
mircea_popescu: but this is conventional and as such brings into question convention altgoether, as a device.
mircea_popescu: it's deeper than the govt legitimacy problem, too. it's the conventional nature of it that's the major destructive factor.
mircea_popescu: so why even bother with those violin classes she was saving up for ?
mircea_popescu: it's the fact that she now can't plan, because lo and behold, randomly sent to jail.
mircea_popescu: bounce it's not the month in jail, just like the problem with stealing isn't really that omg, someone's going to miss what you stole.
bounce: the fear of it and the government losing legitimacy, yes. wasn't thinking just the economic side of things.
chetty: per trilema latest article ...insecurity
bounce: wonder if you can quantify the damage to society by things like that month in jail for essentially no reason
mircea_popescu: "knock knock" "whos there" "privilege checking"
bounce: geddit.com, all the jokes from reddit
mircea_popescu: fucking oneself ain't all that it's cracked up to be anyway.
mircea_popescu: how are ~you~ going to ... ~get him to~
mircea_popescu: uh. that's nonsense.
thickasthieves: telling an asshole to go fuck himself isnt that expensive, but getting him to agree and understand is
mircea_popescu: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0405094/ < that one.
mircea_popescu: totally the illustration for this.
thickasthieves: the only real currency we have is time
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