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asciilifeform: seems that mircea_popescu still prefers the anglo chix as raw material in refinery tho
mircea_popescu: so in a very specific, and very purple and meaty sense, the moronic lartinos are way the fuck ahead of the moronic anglos.
mircea_popescu: w, nevertheless, NEVERTHELESS!!!! they are way ahead of the anglotarded chicks who http://trilema.com/2018/an-examination-of-conflict/ ie try to enforce "the elders". oh, john, daddy said "sit down, sit down, sit down you're rocking the boat", we'd better sit down!!!
mircea_popescu: i and my slaves might laugh at stupid local girlies, "20 in her mom's tow" and at stupid 50yos who are trying to ~now~ be slutty, as if time somehow waited for them to take the 35 years they "needed" to achieve 35 months' worth of intellectual maturation. but as troglodyte as http://trilema.com/2017/the-day-of-failure-trilemma/#selection-423.0-423.517 readily marks all of latino morons in the eyes of any euro whore i ever kne
asciilifeform: i guess could rewrite the eqn into the q of whether people are actually smarter than prikoke the pig, or no
asciilifeform: asciilifeform's q wasn't 'whether 4th reich is ripe for the visigoths', seems pretty clear that it is. but whether the entire cycle, where manchu horsemen , 'free and manly' , invade, then turn into fat and idjit empress cixi, is escapable or not
mircea_popescu: consequently, boys gotta be bois lest they break down the walls. and that was that for anglo culture.
mircea_popescu: consequently, boys gotta be boys lest they break down the walls. and that was that for anglo culture.
mircea_popescu: change, objective and unyielding, of the wheel coming cycle and the up being now down and the shoe on the other foot, "the elders" sat and thought for a half second and decided between boys and walls they'd rather have the walls.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the whole fucking point of http://trilema.com/2012/anonimity-or-the-urban-versus-rural-dispute/ (especially as coupled with http://trilema.com/2015/strategy-for-the-antisocial-struggle/ ) is that the world has substantially changed, and there is ~no further win~ to be had from cityism, and a WHOLE lot of cost to be eaten. which is ~the fucking point~ of http://trilema.com/2017/the-world-has-changed/ : given the
asciilifeform: 'city' seems to inescapably produce huge qty of such 'fouling'. i find interesting the q of what is 'carnot efficiency' of city, what if anyffing worx to keep down the waste product ( of the most toxic type -- bipedal )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: do you recall ancient trilema piece , about some derp working in (iirc) google, where you had 'if industry were a rifle, he'd be the fouling on the barrel' ?
mircea_popescu: it's a matter of columnae lucum, whereby ~THIS~, and this and only this and this only is the epitome, and everyone around is closer or further to that epitome, and at the outskirts it becomes unclear if there's even a relation at all or not.
mircea_popescu: anyway, but the important point can't be overstated enough. it's not a matter of terra-ad-limine, whereby the county is from this limit to that limit to that other limit, and as long as you're not past the limits therefore you're inside and thereby anjie is "in tech" (hey, you can't prove she's out, right ? therefore she;s in ?) and also thereby http://trilema.com/2012/generatia-fara/#selection-145.61-145.72 stands as a party
a111: Logged on 2018-11-13 17:32 mircea_popescu: circero's certainly was, man had the diseased of comfortable middle class men.
asciilifeform: i suspect that a good chunk of the 'organizational win' from cityism can be cut away from the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-13#1871872 , to interesting result ☝︎
asciilifeform: selective tech adoption is imho a fascinating thing. even the amerinds, for all their miswired heads, picked up horse and rifle and carried on 300+ yrs past their expiration date. ( picture if they had also had radio ! )
asciilifeform: i suspect - if it exists - you'd need a quite long drill to get to it
mircea_popescu: "why does he ?" "because maybe they're doing it right, and that's fucking binding, on the entire world."
a111: Logged on 2018-09-01 15:28 mircea_popescu: like it or not, man has some responsibilities to rhodesia.
asciilifeform: ( where cultivate poppy with ~barehands and the only 'modern' tech held in any esteem is kalash )
asciilifeform: possibly this kinda thing even still exists today, in e.g. afgan
asciilifeform: there's definitely factual substance to the archetype of 'farmer ready to pick up weapon and defend his not-needing-the-city-for-anyffing', hence the festivities in '20s ru re tambov rebellion ( where the reds pretty much brought back ivan iv's methods, incl. mass impalement ) to put down
mircea_popescu: farming. with black slaves. both times.
mircea_popescu: and that's yet another fine example, see ? french men go to louisiana, produce us south a century later. dutch men go to transvaal, produce south africa a century later.
mircea_popescu: circero's certainly was, man had the diseased of comfortable middle class men. ☟︎
a111: Logged on 2018-11-13 17:24 mircea_popescu: all latin classicity bemoans the loss of agricultural tradition, their hightly regarded source of intelligence and manliness.
asciilifeform: i do suspect that http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-13#1871847 was 'admiration from a distance' rather than factual tho. sorta like marie antoinette's milkmaid career. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: that there's a bunch of moronic kids over at hot topic in the mall doing "the industry" of things men do... what the fuck of it ?
mircea_popescu: it was proposed he was a fucking farmer, in the proper and only sense, like fucking carlyle. farming is a thing BECAUSE cincinnatus farfmed, and bdsm is a thing because MP bdsm's.
mircea_popescu: but it wasn't proposed he's "typical" or "normal" or in any way reduce his person to some kind of http://trilema.com/2016/the-herd-of-independent-minds-or-has-the-avantgarde-its-own-mass-culture/#selection-87.551-87.706 falsity. when i call my slave "a slave" i do not by any possible read propose that "she has some kind of slave nature" like nail polish or something.
asciilifeform: ( pro turtle-flipper!111 )
asciilifeform: my point was that cincinnatus was 'typical farmer' like mircea_popescu is 'typical photographer'
mircea_popescu: your whole argument is essentially seinfeld's "oh, my parents having sex... i dunno... i haven't seen it... as far as i know they could maybe be just really, REALLY good friends!"
mircea_popescu: history doesn't exist because grandchildren wanked it in the bed at night ; history exists because grandfathers fucked grandmothers.
asciilifeform: indeed consists of record of folx who could actually be arsed to do things..
mircea_popescu: people do things, that's why there's a history in the first place.
mircea_popescu: diogenes pushed his tub, cincinnatus ploughed his field, i... i dunno, took weird pictures of myself put them on trilema.
asciilifeform: there's a reason he's a quasi-mythical figure, tho, like diogen
mircea_popescu: sounds exactly like 1700s pennsylvania. and the reason it does is because it is.
mircea_popescu: no, i believe the story is factual. man was out ploughing, with own two hands, senate legati came to talk to him, asked him to go put his toga on.
asciilifeform: difficult to picture .
asciilifeform: i'll admit that i credit 'cincinnatus plowing with own 2 hands' approx as much as i credit king arthur
mircea_popescu: all latin classicity bemoans the loss of agricultural tradition, their hightly regarded source of intelligence and manliness. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: not originally. the might as well as the power of the republic was ~entirely~ agricultural. cincinnatus is not famous for "turning down the purple", but for ~turning down the purple to go back to ploughing."!
asciilifeform: didn't they staff it mostly with zeks tho
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not really. the romans were agricultural folk, just as much as the alwa or the indians making wootz steel.
mircea_popescu: and hence "Pangloss was professor of metaphysico-theologico-cosmolo-nigology. He proved admirably that there is no effect without a cause, and that, in this best of all possible worlds, the Baron's castle was the most magnificent of castles, and his lady the best of all possible Baronesses."
mircea_popescu: it's not agriculture per se. it's not the land, it's that the land both fosters and nurtures a certain mindset among those troding upon it. too much "all is well" and way the fuck too much "nothing could ever change" and so on. hence, "my mom's just as good a master as could ever be had!" and hence http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-12#1871537 : in rural environs kids too dumb to find their own fucking holes on their own fucking ☝︎
mircea_popescu: the reason "all good things flow to the city" is, and for 3k years has been, "i'd rather hang out with thieves than with farmers holy shit you lot are moronic. really, go to bed at 5pm ?"
mircea_popescu: precisely. but it is not ~with agriculture~. it's with... the people involved in agriculture!
mircea_popescu: n the south if you're not stupid.)
mircea_popescu: (a matter little discussed in the abundant "literature" was the implicit brain drain southern economy imposed on southern us. ie, intelligent boys in the newyork-london sphere migrated rather towards new york (hence all the jews, at the time monopolists of intelligence, hence the hatred but different line all that) ; whereas intelligent kids on the st louis-paris line migrated rather to paris. because nothing the fuck to do i
asciilifeform: to get something to work with
asciilifeform: iirc even there they simply threw the less-compliant 80% into the sea
mircea_popescu: and even then
asciilifeform: i dun see how it could possibly be worth the effort, lacking cotton for'em to pick
mircea_popescu: fact of the matter is i need 1800s style southern us slaves like i need genital warts.
mircea_popescu: i make a lot of noise about dungeons and chains and whips and etc ; but it is a kind of a society game. i am not prepared, neither mentally nor for that matter materially, to ~actually~ apply all that. because yes, the convertor exists, kidnap among the moronic 3bn, but i mean literally, not play-pretendingly, self-delivered "kidnaps", and then torture them into being enslaved orcs rather than plain orcs.
asciilifeform: ( relatedly, i vaguely recall from some old lit that the turks amused themselves by cauterizing beheadee's stump to see if he can be made to chicken, i.e. not bleed out right off, but dun recall source or whether it worked )
asciilifeform: indeed, physiological thrashing, like beheaded chicken's
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no, it's latino "culture" so to speak, tho it has entirely nothing to do with culture, much like "they fuck mud with sticks all day" isn't "african industry", it's just african nothing.
mircea_popescu: every civilised female has the same reaction, utter disbelief, "omfg i'd have been too ashamed to do this at 15"
asciilifeform: i thought that was argentines
mircea_popescu: do you realise girls here are ~so fucking moronic~ they will hang out with their mothers IN THEIR TWENTIES ?
asciilifeform: does seem like 'nature abhors vacuum' tho, the usa folx got reformatted heads but immediately filled up with ???.
mircea_popescu: the choice is literally "this ~half bn or so of english speakers, who have been so neglected as children as to practically emulate classical africans" or else "these ~3bn women, so fucken retarded they will die in http://trilema.com/2017/in-scams-today-disk-less-terminal-sa-dba-laesquinadelamazmorra/#footnote_3_72501 trap without batting an eyelash).
a111: Logged on 2018-11-06 18:12 mircea_popescu: the whole usgistan thing is a ~necessary~ solvent for the otherwise even-more-imbecile "nation of kings" bullshit.
mircea_popescu: more retarded. non-anglo women still need traditional "patriarchy" dissolved out of their stupid heads, as per http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-06#1869904 ☝︎☟︎
asciilifeform: ( maybe consider try in a human lang, get slightly less retarded folx ? )
asciilifeform: btw mircea_popescu does errybody on that site only know engl ?
mircea_popescu: "hey fellow africans, i wonder what those strange forms in the mists across the ocean might be" "that's just the way the horizon's painted, brother joshuah"
asciilifeform: gotta wonder what they're using for a terminal
mircea_popescu: so much of the very same, but much of it nevertheless!
mircea_popescu: there's a whole wide world out there, chitlins, and it has SO MUCH TO OFFER!!!
asciilifeform: lol another 1 of those !
mircea_popescu: PrincessVH "It's due to the fact that your title of the message has been cut in half and the only part that is readable is "How about you drop whatever it is you're d..."" LordMPofTMSR "Intelligence is specifically this (seemingly "magical") ability to find one's way out of a paper bag."
mircea_popescu: meanwhile at the lulz farms, PrincessVH 25F Princess "Not kidding about what?" LordMPofTMSR "Not the sharpest tool in the shed, I take it."
asciilifeform: btw phf i am enjoying your new logtron feature, with the paste snapshot
asciilifeform: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/H7UHO/?raw=true << the variant in question, ftr.
asciilifeform: and that gpg1/2ism has 0 to do with the eggog ( i removed the custom gpg invocation line to 0 effect )
asciilifeform: btw i confirmed that phf's v98 ( when patched to remove the subkey handler thing ) successfully presses ch1-11, with bitwise-correct results ( compared with classic vtron )
asciilifeform: really would like to throw out python, perl, bash, etc eventually.
asciilifeform: once we have a One Troo scripting language ( possibly some variant of spyked's gc-less ada lisp.. ) i'd like to write a vtron in that ( supposing nobody else beats me to it )
asciilifeform: ( has ~nonexistent error handling; and misbehaves on oddly shaped trees, this is plentifully described in the l0gz )
phf: v.py unfortunately requires a bunch of work (unrelated to yesterday's issue), it was very much a poc, and i suspect you and i are the only people who actively use(d) it
asciilifeform: i'd like to be able to put a link in the 'ffa regrind' article, 'and you can press it with ~this~'
asciilifeform: possible exception is esthlos, but i have not tested his item yet ☟︎
asciilifeform: for keccak, that is
asciilifeform: phf: right, my current understanding is that presently ~errybody has a kludged vtron, but no one yet posted a 'canonical' variant that's 1) properly genesis'd 2) worx errywhere
a111: Logged on 2018-11-13 14:21 asciilifeform: when i started ffa, i did not plan to bake any asm speedups at all. but there's 2 reasons to do it, eventually : one is that on e.g. x86/x64, getting the upper half of a word-sized multiplication, without asm, takes ~four~ MULs plus a buncha additions : http://www.loper-os.org/pub/ffa/hypertext/ch11/w_mul__adb.htm#95_14
asciilifeform: btw http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-13#1871763 is somewhat misleading, let's correct : this is the case on ALL known archs, gcc is retarded and does not supply a ready-baked inline word x word mul function ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-10-31 03:21 phf: mod6: just fyi i was able to press eucrypt using v.pl by patching it to use vtools's `ksum' for hashing instead of sha512sum and `vpatch' for pressing instead of gnu. http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/PZ4hX/?raw=true
asciilifeform: ( i still gotta come up with a fix for the comment box on my www; until then , i'll take seals via p.bvulpes.com etc )
asciilifeform: i expect to post the reground ch1-11 today; folx who read whichever chapters, will be invited to send in seals ☟︎
asciilifeform: fwiw i worked around last night's ugh in phf's variant, but i'd much rather use a properly polished item than my kludge
asciilifeform: it got enuff battlefield test that he ironed out afaik all the significant bugs
a111: Logged on 2018-11-13 08:10 diana_coman: fwiw I actually patched v.pl to use phf's vtools and it works absolutely fine; I guess I'll write-it up and publish the whole thing later today if nobody else does it
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-13#1871705 << this will come in very very handy, looking forward to seeing it ☝︎
asciilifeform: if one wants to generate keys on battery power, asm is not escapable.