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ben_vulpes: does
the recruiter
then interview my
team as well?
bounce: HR can
take care of
the paperwork, and "managing" appointments and such. but building
the
team is up
to
the manager, not
to
the recruiter.
ben_vulpes: typically
the interview is aborted by pitches like yours.
ben_vulpes: finding people who can do sales lead gen is hard enough, how
the fuck am i
to
trust someone whose
technical competence i have no notion of
to identify people with
technical
talent?
ben_vulpes: maybe someday i'll outsource leadgen, but i've yet
to find anyone
to
trust with
the job because
they all sound as full of shit as you.
ben_vulpes: tis a part of
the job, identifying and bringing on collaborators.
RagnarDanneskjol: so hiring managers put in a bunch of extra overtime
to do recruitment
ben_vulpes: we also chew
through contractors, looking for people
to hire.
ben_vulpes: we identify
target hires as a group and
then fucking hire
them.
bounce refers
to
the google study on a related subject
RagnarDanneskjol: you understand how it makes sense
to have someone dedicated
to locating
the best
talent available is bettter
than hoping
talent finds you?
ben_vulpes: you're also ignoring
the "whole
team does recruiting" strategy.
RagnarDanneskjol: again -
that is a staffing agency - different and I agree
they are wasteful
bounce: IMO
that's a worse policy, since it muddles
the input needlessly
bounce: pfft. instead of some consultancy
throwing out
the adverts and pouring
their "special sauce" over
the incoming applications?
RagnarDanneskjol: Oh so
the company only hires candidates who happen
to find
their open position - bad policy
ben_vulpes: anyone receiving emails on
the "get in
touch with us" inbox
bounce: somebody who knows about
the job.
ben_vulpes: in an engineering organization,
this is an engineering function for engineering roles.
ben_vulpes: <RagnarDanneskjol> every company over 20 people has a staff recruiter who manages
the interview/negotiation process << false.
bounce: IME
the staffing agencies
that claim
to specialise in IT recruiting are possibly worse
than generic agencies. claim
to know
their shit
then don't.
RagnarDanneskjol: every company over 20 people has a staff recruiter who manages
the interview/negotiation process
ben_vulpes: if you're growing a dev
team and your devs aren't actively bringing in
their friends, you're doing it entirely incorrectly.
bounce: how else? by getting pulled in by someone, or by bumping into
the (technically savvy) owner of
the shop, something like
that.
the key is
to
talk
to someone who knows about
the job, not
the "specialist" who doesn't know word from writer.
RagnarDanneskjol: I
think you misunderstand what a recruiter is (common misconception)
ben_vulpes: the notion
that a person must go
through a recruiter
to get a job is utter nonsense.
RagnarDanneskjol: ok.
this is like having a bad experience with a front desk secretary and holding it against every secretary you ever encounter. Recruiters are just doing
the work of sorting and moving candidates
through
the interview process. How else would you ever get another job? at some point everyone has
to deal with a recruiter (or whoever acts as company recruiter/hr generalist) -otherwise st
bounce: don't forget
the completely dysfunctional and often insane "matching", selecting on completely irrelevant criteria, and obvious, screaming lies by
the bucketload.
ben_vulpes: RagnarDanneskjol: many devs respond
to a few here and
there, but
the random sample is
typically not enough cash, bizarre stacks, crazy mgmt or {google,yahoo,ms} again instead of anything interesting. a few interactions like
this and
the dev is poisoned against recruiters forever.
bounce: I'll leave you at it
then
bounce: not
the smartest way
to get a useful answer
bounce: bit of an unfair question
there.
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the prollem with recruiters? I always wonder about
these devs who are
too rich, famous/in demand
to even find out how much more $ another company will pay
them
to be lazy
BingoBoingo: I dunno. Do
these waiting
tx.nlocktime
transactions just sit in
the mempool for years now?
RagnarDanneskjol: i've actually seen shit like
this - 15 years iOS development, etc. sometimes I call
them up just
to
troll
RagnarDanneskjol: X years experience with web (or other non-specific) is clear indicator
that experience being described is bs [and prolly lying about other
things
too].. resume goes straight
to
trashbin
punkman: "About me: I'm a software developer with 10 years of experience in web.
Take a look at my resume" <- and he means 10 years of experience with HTML/CSS, 6 years of ruby
RagnarDanneskjol: "Fundraiser
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BingoBoingo: Also as coole as an Ole Miss upset over Bama would be... It's getting
talked up so much Bama moneyline might be
the better value
BingoBoingo: Well, I generally look for underdogs priced
too generously. As an example
there is no spread or odds
that would make me
think of Picking Kansas over West Fucking Virginia
RagnarDanneskjol: cool. I'm always interested
to see what data informs your picks
BingoBoingo: Illinois probably wins it, but I don't
think decmal odds of 3.9 for Purdue are a bad value if you want a longshot.
BingoBoingo: RagnarDanneskjol: I'm going
to have
to give games a
thought when I wake up. As much as Purdue sucks
though... Illinois just might suck even more.
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BingoBoingo: The Rams don't seem
to have any people with experience running events working on
the fan experience of being at
the stadium
BingoBoingo: Then
there's
the problem with it being miserable
to watch a winning game
there
BingoBoingo: Well, considering
the other
two pro sports
team in
town... win...
BingoBoingo: The Rams really want a new stadium, but... hard
to justify
that when no one watches
them.
BingoBoingo: Most people I know in
the area have similar feeling.
BingoBoingo: I'd still bet on Mizzou over
the StL Rams
though.
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BingoBoingo: RagnarDanneskjol: Both.
The Runningbacks almost always find a way around
the line if
they have any speed and in
the backfield
the people with speed
to catch up
to
them lack
the mass
to
take
them down efficiently
RagnarDanneskjol: i forget, were runs getting
through
the D line or is breakdown in
the backfield.. or both
BingoBoingo: Mizzou scares in
that after
the way
the SEC championship game ended last year
they still have no defense against
the ground game.
BingoBoingo: Mississippi State is indeed scary
this year.
BingoBoingo: This year as everything has been parlays not much success.
Two weeks ago I had a chance at least. Last week I made a suicide slate and attached a point about phantom mining hardware.
RagnarDanneskjol: "Let me say
that again.
The SEC West is
the best division in
the country and might end up
the best division of all
time, and Mississippi State might have
the best chance of winning it."
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the SEC's 2014 conference race using advanced stats - SBNation.com
BingoBoingo: RagnarDanneskjol: Just going
to be hard making picks since Mizzou has a bye week.
BingoBoingo: RagnarDanneskjol: I'm debating it. Probably not doing
the longshot parlay again.
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mircea_popescu: well being a (military) governor, sure. but generally
the patricians held land in latium,
then in italia,
then in galia n, and
then finally in spain,
thracia, whatever.
decimation: sure, being governor over
there was a stepping stone
to power at
times
decimation: plus allotting conquered lands
to very important bureaucrats and so forth
mircea_popescu: they kept
trying
to smash
the persian empire, which
they mostly managed, more or less.
mircea_popescu: i have my doubts whether
the romans ever were interested in conquest.