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mircea_popescu: to
them it seems fucking natural
they may use
the words
they're licensed
to use
mircea_popescu: kids active
today grew up in a world of computer game word filters
mircea_popescu: nubbins` lemme
tell you something. i grew up in a world where owning
the words was implicit. so i neatly expect any system ever devised
to recognise my sovereign right
to use any word i fucking choose. period.
nubbins`: anyway
there was a few jackasses who wanted
to buy coolio's back catalogue with btc
nubbins`: the fact
that
this surprises people is fucked
nubbins`: how many
times have people paid me
to design something, and
then ask if it's okay for
them
to use it for X in
the future
Vexual: this cats got
the patent
too
mircea_popescu: they'd be selling aluminum siding just as well if
they felt like it
mircea_popescu: promotion business is a promoter's business. has jack shit
to do with music.
nubbins`: you know how much dick surgery made selling
t-shirts?
mircea_popescu: thickasthieves
that's not
the problem.
the problem is
that you're insistent on discussing
the
topic on insanely unrelated priors.
nubbins`: he also made more money as a producer
than as an artist
mircea_popescu: nubbins` protip << yeah i said it above
too, but somehow it dun stick.
Vexual: dre made more money off his back cat
than his headphones, he just likes new moeny
mircea_popescu: so what are you proposing, ways for apple
to optimize its being apple ?
thickasthieves: i was proposing
the service
to bitcoinize and decentralization control of purchased music
nubbins`: there's a reason leonard cohen's
t-shirts cost more
than his albums
mircea_popescu: thickasthieves you sounded like you were, at least
to me.
nubbins`: protip: artists don't make money selling music,
they make money doing everything else related
to it but
that
thickasthieves: i wasnt proposing solving
the slavery issue of artists
mircea_popescu: the "artists" get jack, and
the idea
that
they're selling anything is ludicrous
nubbins`: people want
to capitalize
the M, make it Music (tm) instead of music
nubbins`: this harkens back
to
the discussion about art we had some
time ago
mircea_popescu: thickasthieves notrly.
they only appear
to be,
to
the people captive.
thickasthieves: people pay $10/m
to like 3 streaming services just cuz it's affordable and convenient and fuckit
nubbins`: "music as a product" and "music actual humans with
taste listen
to" are
two completely different
things
thickasthieves: yknow in america,
things really are less logical
than you guys realize
nubbins`: not so.
there's a very vibrant music scene here locally as well as nationally. i can listen
to
this country's best music without ever listening
to anything
that's signed
to a major label
thickasthieves: nubbins` well we're left with apple and
the streamers still
mircea_popescu: it's like imagining
the
talking heads are
the owners of
the network. no,
they're just hired labour. like
the janitors, exactly.
mircea_popescu: these aren't artists and
they aren't selling anything.
mircea_popescu: thickasthieves nah listen,
these promotion
things, are
their own promotion
thing.
take inna, some romanian ex-highschool ho. got promoted for a summer.
nubbins`: thickasthieves:so as
the market becomes ultimately centralized, it's demise into decentralized pieces is inevitable, no? << uh,
this already happened?
mats_cd03: i
thought
the whole
thing about kanye and
the handicapped folks at his concert was hilarious
thickasthieves: yep and nakye west featuring
throat-singer selling $10m
mircea_popescu: that's your future. a million people all doing a million weird
things like ancient inuit "revivals" and so on.
mircea_popescu: it's a social behaviour, music.
technology gets removed out of
the equation all
the damned
time.
thickasthieves: but
technology doesnt just remove itself from
the equation
mircea_popescu: it'll re-hash starting from its roots as entertainment, you'll go back
to
the performer, back
to
the instrument,
thickasthieves: so no one will by singles nor streaming rights
to
them ever again?
mircea_popescu: but it will die at
the hands of kids who won't pay for music and
the people serving
them, who will do essentially stuff like sexy saffron
mircea_popescu: yes, apple will go bankrupt. yes,
the music distribution model of dino de laurentiis will die.
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To Linux Systems - Slashdot
thickasthieves: so as
the market becomes ultimately centralized, it's demise into decentralized pieces is inevitable, no?
mircea_popescu: and
the non-apples aren't players now nor will
they be players ever,
that "market" lived its
time and is now in
the final phase.
thickasthieves: so youre just commenting on
that
the pie isnt something you can even
take a slice of
Vexual: were all sayin like now? i
think we should stop
that
mircea_popescu: like, say, couple next door does A LOT OF FUCKING. so i go over, let's see. well,
they're shy now.
nubbins`: i've bought music
through apple
mircea_popescu: look at what
the "computer security" market is at, sometime.
mircea_popescu: thickasthieves you're confusing
this situation where large companies play
their own game with
this situation where "someone's buying".
mircea_popescu: nubbins`
that's because you have canadiancare, which is really just nationalised obamacare. you're socialists over
there, not like
the
true capitalists down south.
that's why.
nubbins`: did you know i can jam a dirty needle into
the crook of my elbow, rub hobo cum in it, wrap it in plastic for a month, and
the hospital will fix it FOR FREE?
nubbins`: oh, wait, USA, right.
the health
thing.
nubbins`: a raise in minimum wage is a boon for small businesses
that aren't
too fucking stupid or poorly managed
to
take advantage of it
nubbins`: mats_cd03: you know
that minimum-wage earners spend most of
their raises, right?
mircea_popescu: people still do it for
the concerts, because you can generally pick a chick in
the crowd
to fuck.
nubbins`: mats_cd03: it'll breathe more life into
the local economy? :P
mircea_popescu: nobody's sold anything since 1999.
ticket sales work exactly like political campaign contributions,
the
ticket agencies get most of
the dough.
nubbins`: min wage was raised
to $10.25 here a week or
two ago
mats_cd03: so MA just passed some legislation raising min. wage
to $9/hr in jan2015 and $10/hr in jan2016
mircea_popescu: that's
the crux. nothing is getting solved around
that.
mircea_popescu: thickasthieves you're missing
the part about how someone, somewhere, sometime HAS
TO PAY SOMETHING
thickasthieves: each song is purchased and each customer becomes a X% owner of
the current remaining % unpurchased
mircea_popescu: nubbins` you laugh, sir, but once
they find a way
to allow personality implants, most housewives will be running stoya 1.0
nubbins`: <+mircea_popescu> if only liv
tyler were inhabited by stoya.
mircea_popescu: course
the videos with applegate and
tyler's young hottie are not bad, but
they're not really good, either.
mircea_popescu: nah,
the band formed in
the early 70s, did it';s stuff by
the end of
the decade.
then fairbairn pumped some life into it enough
to get permanent vacation out and
that's about it.