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mircea_popescu: i have no idea, but the performance issue triggers my everpresend paranoid suspicion
thestringpuller: "Brother Taaki" ~_~
thestringpuller: "Thank you for posting that article! Brother Taaki knocks it out of the park." << like really
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: hmm. maybe gavin is trying to tip us off below the radar of his handlers?
mircea_popescu: really curious what turdage lurks therein
mircea_popescu: <pete_dushenski> "And then divide by… uh, I think 5, because Pieter’s libsecp256k1 code is 5 times as fast as OpenSSL << honestly, at this point i'd want everyone to give a good look to libsecp256k1
thickasthieves: i always assume the spikes are a new batch of miners testing then shipping
pete_dushenski: thickasthieves: so much for that diff spike eh?
gribble: Next difficulty estimate | 35106354396.7 based on data since last change | 35353044324.1 based on data for last three days
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: better me than you!
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 355.82, Best ask: 356.98, Bid-ask spread: 1.16000, Last trade: 356.98, 24 hour volume: 28804.88232732, 24 hour low: 326.93, 24 hour high: 357.98, 24 hour vwap: 342.641644065
mircea_popescu: <pete_dushenski> they didn't forget as much as were attracted by the *new shininess* in the first place. now new thing is shiny. <<< or, moreover, aren't even bitcoin in any sense. notice the earlier guy with his strange "irc is insecure" notions. he probably thinks he's involved. his choices and mental processes however do not reflect that.
assbot: justusranvier comments on Gavin Andresen Proposes Bitcoin Hard Fork to Address Network Scalability
assbot: multithreading - What's the opposite of "embarrassingly parallel"? - Stack Overflow
mircea_popescu: rainbow tables. something.
mircea_popescu: sha(sha still paralelizes to some degree. it gotta
gribble: P-complete - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P-complete>; Stackelberg competition - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stackelberg_competition>; Sequential Equilibrium and Perfect Equilibrium ... - Cornell University: <http://www.cs.cornell.edu/~rafael/papers/imperfect.pdf>
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> some jobs simply do not parallelize. << i have trouble coming to terms with this concept. wtf do you mean ? they'd better parallelize or else can't work on a turing machine
BingoBoingo: It's the derps who see adds about hosting prices falling or staying constant and the connections offered increasing... Don't realize how infrequently... people who keep their own machines upgrade their connections... Unless they are running a data center.
BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: What took me so long was building a full txindex.
thestringpuller: if you had the block chain already downloaded
assbot: My Failed Attempt to Suck the Walmart-Flavored Blood of Real America
BingoBoingo: http://gawker.com/my-failed-attempt-to-suck-the-walmart-flavored-blood-of-1642497737 << New Yorkers forced to confront real America.
mircea_popescu: dude i go make some porn websites with stolen false names for five minutes and when i return the log scrolled off my desk
BingoBoingo: Apocalyptic: I mean right now it would be feasible to put a Bitcoin node pretty much anywhere with a wired internet connection other than Nepal or the Desert, yet... this constant bandwidth grow really only happen consistently in data centers.
Apocalyptic: <BingoBoingo> pete_dushenski: Notice how he never addresses bandwidth growth seriously // this is indeed a worthy issue to address
bounce: those numbers are not that important. he could be off by a factor of ten and nobody'd notice. the "paying attention to the needs of EVERYBODY" is killer, though. in light of his committing those same EVERYBODY on upgrading their connectivity every year.
pete_dushenski: chief scientist should be spending his time figuring out a plaintext emoticon for "drool"
pete_dushenski: "uhh let me make up numbers and not even mask the fact that they're made up because i'm typing in my retardedness."
pete_dushenski: "And then divide by… uh, I think 5, because Pieter’s libsecp256k1 code is 5 times as fast as OpenSSL." << love this line by gavin.
bounce: ring ring. those guys.
pete_dushenski: gavin must drive a lexus because he's definitely in the pursuit of perfection.
assbot: How A Bigger Blockchain Is Less Secure And Why Block Size Ain’t Gonna Increase Any Time Soon | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski
pete_dushenski: which brings up gavin's latest, yes, make that his THIRD comment on contravex today:
bounce: don't be silly. how did you think ma bell got to be big? it wasn't from lack of traffic!
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: and incidentally exactly, but EXACTLY how idiots just like gavin end up with mortgages they can't pay. << such forecasting these guys.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: moreover, the way net neutrality etc is going, not to mention the realpolitics of you know, actual wars, financial or otherwise, it wouldn't be surprising if in 20 years the average us citizen is on dialup << only then will their derping be tamed. when it actually costs something.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: and i don't care specifically because we want bitcoin to take over the financial, and with it the political power in the world. all of it. << so *that's* why we're here!
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: thestringpuller: so average bandwidth in US (where Gavin is based) is 10Mbit. An incearse of .5 per year is like what 15 next then 22.5 after that etc etc <<< in 20 years the per-block subsidy will be just about 40 bitcents. at that same time, gavin's block size will be 110 mb. << whoa.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: yet somehow the bitcoin crowd is supposed to have forgotten why it got into bitcoin in the first place, and apply the inflationary economy it's ran off from here << they didn't forget as much as were attracted by the *new shininess* in the first place. now new thing is shiny.
pete_dushenski_: this block size talk really lit the fire!
pete_dushenski_: damn, mircea_popescu is on a roll today.
asciilifeform: welcome to 1975.
asciilifeform: and once you connect two or more - here's your propagation delay.
asciilifeform: fat lot of good that'll do you.
bounce: what's the fastest the labs (not fabs) can do now? 60GHz or so with graphene 'tors?
asciilifeform: and then - maybe you have something.
asciilifeform: you'll need to find new chemists. that are (if you're lucky) in their cradles right now.
asciilifeform: it won't even suffice to build new fabs
asciilifeform: if you have $maxint and want to grind a non-parallelizable problem - god help you.
asciilifeform: if you have $maxint and want to convert it to parallelizable number crunching - plenty of people are ready to help.
asciilifeform: back to subject:
asciilifeform: if you need one - straight to them. take a few $m.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: 'narus corp.' (il. they supply a good chunk of nsa's hardware infrastructure) sells these.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: given that tcp/ip lets you fuck with ordering, that trivially parallelizes. at least, as fast as you can physically clock the bits off the wire to individual comparison registers, and then back on
asciilifeform: just as when musical notes appeared, music that was difficult to write down with notes - perhaps, disappeared.
bounce: true enough. and so the best you can have there today AIUI is a 5+ GHz IBM thing in a massively overpriced package
asciilifeform: the engineers' answer seems to have been, 'well don't do those jobs'
asciilifeform: bounce: read why s. cray uttered the 'chickens' phrase.
bounce: you don't like sparc and ppc either then?
asciilifeform: they don't exist. no one has made any such thing for 20+ years.
asciilifeform: non-chicken << you can't buy them.
bounce: they can charge quite a lot before it becomes more economical to buy non-chicken cpus
asciilifeform: people who are not satisfied with '1024 chickens' often buy something like this.
asciilifeform: with possibly a little dma magic on transmitting and receiving ends.
asciilifeform: physically-identical to this unit, quite possibly.
asciilifeform: no need to solder, surplus fpga demo board off 'ebay'.
bounce doesn't begin to have the soldering skills for that. or the rest of the ee skills. will have to work on that.
asciilifeform: they're dressing this as 'enterprise' turdware, yes.
asciilifeform: bounce: if you want this (as i do) built it by hand, with fpga-to-pcie board.
bounce: there's that. sort-of implied by the high finance and military as proposed applications.
asciilifeform: 'if you have to ask price, you can't afford this'
asciilifeform: bounce: Dolphin Express << very neat. but golden toilet.
danielpbarron: i think you need to be in his L1 to get access :p
bounce: protection against the uncool people
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron you know that feed is protected
bounce: cute toys: http://www.dolphinics.com/products/
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bounce: alright, if that's how you wanted it.
hanbot: bounce treacle, sugar refining byproduct. a brownish, sickly-sweet gunk. perhaps a little awkward in there ::shrugs::
mircea_popescu: check it out, that's a choke ain't it. 2 on >200 1 on < 600
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thickasthieves: very antisocial too
thickasthieves: it's an endless hobby to obsess on
mircea_popescu: thickasthieves i knew a guy who basically had a soundstage, because he wanted to record all his fucking sessions, which he then catalogued and manically preserved for old age.
bounce: more like something that'll get you nice and tired for a good night's sleep but not something that's so demanding it's easy to give up on
thickasthieves: i think i mentioned pot before, but it doesnt suit you
mircea_popescu: lol you mean, first time, single nail ?
mircea_popescu: xanthyos so do something useful then.
bounce: worse than. possibly quite a lot worse, depending on how much of a party the insurers are going to throw with it
xanthyos: i just don't want to spend hours a week comparing the lengths of my fingernails anymore.
mircea_popescu: bounce or less than useless, as the case may be
bounce: V got a little out of hand, making it less than useful
hanbot: i don't put too much stock in the whole dsm classification stuffs.
bounce: shit, every version of the DSM has MORE reasons
bounce: there's more ways and reasons to feel hopelessly inadequate and unfit for life
mircea_popescu: btw, im kinda surprised none of the evil-overgovernment conspiracy theorists have identified the oecd as the mechanism.
mircea_popescu: hanbot wait, you got schizopersonalify disorder and ocde/whatever too ?