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decimation: I've heard
that
the 'synplify' synthesizer is much better, but costs golden
toilet cash
decimation: today I was using
the xilinix ise - it's a piece of shit
decimation: I guess I was
thinking of "connecting
the pipes"
thestringpuller: ;;later
tell nubbins` let me know when a good
time
to discuss a second order with you. i
think we may have sold all 6 shirts.
decimation: yeah I've heard of
the 'hybrid fpga cpu' design
decimation: I wish I could just connect a pipe from
the sse register
to my own fpga machine
decimation: asciilifeform: in
this case
the error was so well-publicized intel promised
to... update
the docs
assbot: Logged on 01-10-2014 03:14:52; asciilifeform: so
there is a mostly unwritten 'talmud' of differences between intel's manuals and
the reality.
assbot: Logged on 01-10-2014 03:13:19; asciilifeform: phun phact.
traditionally,
the folks who write cpu manuals (how many people here have seen
them alive? dead
tree manuals) don't have access
to original design specs.
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: I'm at a loss for a better name. ALGOL, ~algol or algol is fine with me. Even
their honorable ancestor was part of a fruitless evolutionary
tree.
mircea_popescu: unfortunately ubiquitous crud like www <<<
there's a major paradigm shift underplayed here. for approximately 1980 (kiler micro)
to 2009,
the ONLY utility of computing was www. with bitcoin,
the www is a minor point, other
things are major points now.
decimation: the obvious problem with derping on better hardware is
the extremely high cost hurdle
assbot: Hot DRAM! Samsung splurges $15 BILLION on Korean chip fab
The Register
decimation: indeed, for instance from
the yegge article: "We retired Mailman.
That's because we have
the Quality With a Name — namely, Suckiness. We suck. We couldn't find anyone who was good enough at Emacs-Lisp
to make it work. "
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: I see. What I don't understand is why CLers haven't just ditched
the web.
decimation: that might be
true, I'm not sure I can contain
the set of all possible languages in my brain
gabriel_laddel: you're claim is
that
the problem with lisp is
that it's not built for
the c-machine. my point is
that even on c-machines it's still better
than anything else out
there.
decimation: ?? what part isn't
the problem? 'automatic parallel-ization?
gabriel_laddel: decimation: re,
the problem with lisp...
this isn't CL's problem, and not a real problem anyway. Compare
to writing ~ALGOL on c-machine.
assbot: Sh** just got real: Amazon
to open actual shop in New York City
The Register
decimation: yeah
that's
true, need more of
that around
mircea_popescu: decimation and, note,
they also display
the mild, 1700s skepticism.
decimation: mircea_popescu:
The Register is
the only non-pure-pr
tech news source
that I know of
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel you know how
to use
this
thing
to self voice ?
cazalla: btw, dude
that runs
that ezybit ran a now defunct seo company lol
mircea_popescu: cazalla BingoBoingo for
the record, i like
the slightly skeptical
tone of qntra reporting.
tech reporting has been awash in gushing for
too damned long. some classical skepticism is in dire need.
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: have you spoken with him privately / had
to filter his comments on loper?
mircea_popescu: decimation i don't get
this. all machines are multi-core
assbot: Logged on 27-09-2014 03:28:42; asciilifeform: decimation: 'crazy' is
the reason he actually got
to work!
decimation: the problem with lisp is
that it is alient
to
the modern c-machine, especially
the multi-core variety
mircea_popescu: i like how
the b-a search function is self healing. not found anything ?
try again!
mircea_popescu: well boys,
this approach of yours has only
the minor disadvantage
that it goes exactly against
the constitution of
the city you live in.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it'd better be because im betting on it getting blown out of
the water.
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: people not keeping
track of
this is
the problem.
decimation: I was cursing python's inability
to easily rewrite itself
today
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel you kidding ? i doubt anyone even keeps
track of mn granulairty.
ben_vulpes: 'course
to leverage
that, you gotta use
the
thing everywhere. makes it hard for
the polyglot shop.
ben_vulpes: imposes
this floor on hire quality, reduces need
to hire as rapidly.
gabriel_laddel: does anyone really
think
that an extra 8mm LoC per quarter is ''not ruining
things quite as badly?'
ben_vulpes: marginal hires have a hard
time hacking it in lisp shops.
assbot: Loper OS » Where Lisp Fails: at
Turning People into Fungible Cogs.
thestringpuller: those not good enough
to sling dope...that sounds familiar...
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel in practice
that sort of manager is a dictator.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller "other
than being uncommon, common lisp is also not lisp"
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: I doubt
this very much. 'Lisp' simply needs managers
to understand why
they should order
those not good enough
to sling dope
to write it.
mircea_popescu: this is an interesitng
theory. i suspect it's actually
true.
mircea_popescu: e lessons of
the 45 years of languages
that have followed it."
mircea_popescu: "(yeah,
there are a bunch) are going
to have
to realize
that if Lisp is ever going
to be massively successful, it needs an overhaul. Or maybe a revolution. Contrary
to what some might
tell you, it doesn't need a committee, and it doesn't need a bunch of money. Linux proved exactly
the opposite. Lisp needs a benevolent dictator. Lisp needs
to ditch
the name "Lisp", since it scares people. And Lisp needs
to learn from
th
mircea_popescu: saying
that
the only
thing
this apple's good for is
the pigs doesn't amount
to a suggesting feeding
the pigs.
assbot: Logged on 10-10-2014 00:22:32; mircea_popescu:
the only conceivable purpose i can see for government would be
to allocate limits. you want
to write a facebook ? register with govt, get a 10k line/250kb limit. if you overrun it you get shot.
mircea_popescu: ;;later
tell BlueMeanie4 so what about
that nxt/devwork story ?