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ossabot: Logged on 2019-09-06 06:47:33 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934003 << i don't know if didactic's the word, rather evaluatory. we want to know what exact dragons lay there, in the general, and you declared yourself interested in lisp, so it seemed a very natural fit ; then you self-selected the task and i didnt have any objectiosn, for these reasons.\
spyked: hm, rereading http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934017 , I'm thinking I should really write a summary/post-mortem post. but more generally, I need to organize all the comments so far (and whatever's to come) and see what to make of this.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-09-06 06:57:23 mircea_popescu: i really can't atm tell the difference between gcc-in-php and hutchentoote, myself. but i am a sluggish intellect, takes me a while.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-09-06 07:01:51 mircea_popescu: (as an aside, leaving be the situation where this is entirely obscure arcana, top results on "hutchentoot" searches include 2015 tmsr logs, consider http://compgroups.net/comp.lang.lisp/scripting-in-cl-please-comment/239090 as a fine illustration, the moneyshot being macro index,pager <F7> " <enter-command> set pipe_decode=yes<enter> <enter-command> set my_wait_key=\$wait_key wait_key=no<enter> <pipe-message>/h
ossabot: Logged on 2019-09-05 18:09:18 mircea_popescu: but imo it's folly to try and marry 1 to 2 because of what's, ultimately, merely a name coincidence.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-09-06 06:52:48 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934000 << i've yet to see lisp actually do anything useful, so this'd be a quindecennial first.
spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934022 <-- hm, that's a very strong point re. this decision whether to continue or not. well, #trilema has some IRC bots powered by Lisp, so that's something.
spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934020 <-- there's no "conclusion" post, but yeah, these oughta go somewhere. the closest thing to a conclusion is http://thetarpit.org/posts/y06/09d-hunchentoot-vib.html#selection-970.0-970.7
spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934014 <-- more along the lines of: convert from thetarpit-format to mp-wp-format so that paragraphs, photos etc. display properly; it's not a big deal, but I expect there are a few unknowns that might require manually walking the article list. which isn't *that* big, but still.
mircea_popescu: .hyber.org/privbind.yaws][the YAWS documentation] has a comprehensive writeup on the topic." << the link is something else, its spurious whie really bolsters the useless postdoc angle.
mircea_popescu: also in the lulz, "Hunchentoot does not come with code to help with running it on a privileged port (i.e. port 80 or 443) on Unix-like operating systems. Modern Unix-like systems have specific, non-portable ways to allow non-root users to listen to privileged ports, so including such functionality in Hunchentoot was considered unnecessary. Please refer to online resources for help. At the time of this writing, [http://yaws
mircea_popescu: "Hunchentoot is (or was) for example used by <a href="http://quickhoney.com/">QuickHoney</a>, <a href="http://www.city-farming.de/">City Farming</a>, <a href="http://heikestephan.de/">Heike Stephan</a>." << forgot to put that lulz in the log somehow.
mircea_popescu: (as an aside, leaving be the situation where this is entirely obscure arcana, top results on "hutchentoot" searches include 2015 tmsr logs, consider http://compgroups.net/comp.lang.lisp/scripting-in-cl-please-comment/239090 as a fine illustration, the moneyshot being macro index,pager <F7> " <enter-command> set pipe_decode=yes<enter> <enter-command> set my_wait_key=\$wait_key wait_key=no<enter> <pipe-message>/home/tpapp/so
mircea_popescu: i really can't atm tell the difference between gcc-in-php and hutchentoote, myself. but i am a sluggish intellect, takes me a while.
mircea_popescu: i have no strong feeling either way, it's your toy as far as i'm concerned. if you judge it's worth pushing forward by all means, let's see what comes of it, and if you judge this is just a waste of time, by all means, it can stand like that, "spyked went on lisp expedition cca 2019, upon consideration it didn't seem worth bothering with"
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934009 << i don't know yet ; superficially hutchentoot seems like it's python-in-lisp as a stotting exercise by the sort of sparsely-beareded / unemployable postdoc students that do this sort of dumb shit because they can (or can't get laid).
ossabot: Logged on 2019-09-05 18:09:18 mircea_popescu: but imo it's folly to try and marry 1 to 2 because of what's, ultimately, merely a name coincidence.
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934000 << i've yet to see lisp actually do anything useful, so this'd be a quindecennial first.
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934003 << i don't know if didactic's the word, rather evaluatory. we want to know what exact dragons lay there, in the general, and you declared yourself interested in lisp, so it seemed a very natural fit ; then you self-selected the task and i didnt have any objectiosn, for these reasons.\
ossabot: Logged on 2019-09-05 18:04:58 mircea_popescu: spyked, "the painstaking labour involved in moving every post to MP-WP (plus fixing the links) would take a yet-to-be-determined amount of time" << why is this to be a pain ?
spyked: in other news, I'll be outta town this weekend and for a few days next week. should have a buncha photos to post afterwards
ossabot: Logged on 2019-09-05 18:09:18 mircea_popescu: but imo it's folly to try and marry 1 to 2 because of what's, ultimately, merely a name coincidence.
spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-05#1933944 <-- certainly a lot missing on this side of things
ossabot: Logged on 2019-09-05 18:04:58 mircea_popescu: spyked, "the painstaking labour involved in moving every post to MP-WP (plus fixing the links) would take a yet-to-be-determined amount of time" << why is this to be a pain ?
ossabot: Logged on 2019-09-04 13:20:53 asciilifeform: spyked: 'I still haven't genesized The Tar Pit; by the way, is there anyone else out there interested in using it?' << me. i'ma be moving my www and quite interested in all approaches to de-php-izing . and you have imho a++ visual coat on yours.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-04 08:57:46 spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-03#1933426 <-- speaking of which, I notice there's a feed in there, btcalpha.com, which consistently clogs up the bot. I'm guessing the site it points to is long dead, shall I remove it?
spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-04#1933666 <-- was a great test for feedbot 'reliable failure', tho
lobbes: I think, in general, it makes sense for me to chew through the logotron "todo" list right now. I would eventually like to get a php version of the reader.py written for purposes of comparison.
trinque: there may be a brief deedbot outage as I beat the old version with a wrench and deploy new
mircea_popescu: this is exactly false : what actually happens is that if the labour's over threshold the output is 0, and if it's under the output is x. like a transistor exactly
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2019/what-is-a-blog-complete-spec-inside/?b=scales&e=sizes#select
diana_coman: asciilifeform: I'm rather deep into http://ossasepia.com/2019/09/05/a-summers-summary-and-next-steps-in-eulora/?b=writing&e=#select atm so not presently looking at the logger, no.
mircea_popescu: but imo it's folly to try and marry 1 to 2 because of what's, ultimately, merely a name coincidence.
mircea_popescu: 1. re blog, i do not currently believe it makes any sense to have blogs in anything but php ; 1.a with the exception that trying out things (as opposed to, production) is trying out things, and people can try out whatever ~they feel like~ (while they're stuck producing what works).
mircea_popescu: spyked, "the painstaking labour involved in moving every post to MP-WP (plus fixing the links) would take a yet-to-be-determined amount of time" << why is this to be a pain ?
bvt: i kind of remembered that it had something with to do with percentages, this surfaced out mod6's message; when you mentioned that the result is still ~wrong, remembered that it had something to do with "man who invests X% of time into empire...", used phf's log for a keyword search.
deedbot: diana_coman updated rating of bvt from 1 to 2 << knows where things are in the logs! + useful work towards a republican kernel; writes at http://bvt-trace.net
diana_coman: but hm, I still think mod6's line actually paraphrased a different discussion and I quite distinctly remember it said by mircea_popescu ; if my memory of it is any good, ofc.
diana_coman: basically my "less of a man" was more precisely "20% of a man", ahem.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-03-19 18:52:57 mod6: Because like we discussed before, some paraphrasing "man puts in 20% of time is 20% of a man".
bvt: hello. asciilifeform: answered your comment. diana_coman: the logline you were looking for seems to be this: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-03-19#1903465 , as a rephrase of http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2018-11-10#1870880 discussion
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-05 12:25:58 asciilifeform: ( to take trivial example : at one time i designed a 'fg 2' that uses scintillator crystal . background radiation is moar than enuff to make this go. however also need a reverse-biased large surface diode for detecting pulses. these need a clean (i.e. not from oscillating converter) ~60 volt. then thought : 'this is simple, all would need is 20 x 3v photocells in series, in epoxy. surely someone sells this !! gu
diana_coman: I also think it might have been in reply to one of asciilifeform's threads re how he can't escape (hence possibly why it rings a bell with him?) but again, if I knew exactly, I'd have found it by now.
diana_coman: mircea_popescu: I thought "less of a man" was in there but I can't say I'm 100% sure
diana_coman: myeah, I had been searching for a while before asking; I'll have to do with my own asking for the thing I can't yet find, won't I.
mircea_popescu: im gonna have to put a search in won't i.
mircea_popescu: no, but it sounds a lot like something i wish i said.
asciilifeform: it's imho a fucktonne moar obvious than some of the shit sold for similar purpose (e.g. piezo transformers, work a++ but entirely unsuitable, cuz, again, oscillator)
asciilifeform: ( to take trivial example : at one time i designed a 'fg 2' that uses scintillator crystal . background radiation is moar than enuff to make this go. however also need a reverse-biased large surface diode for detecting pulses. these need a clean (i.e. not from oscillating converter) ~60 volt. then thought : 'this is simple, all would need is 20 x 3v photocells in series, in epoxy. surely someone sells this !! guess wat. )
mircea_popescu: kinda, my experience of sexuality's a lot like your experience of it.
mircea_popescu: i suppose this is also a decent proxy for insanity. (what else is insanity, than consistently dealing with problems nobody else dealt with ?)
asciilifeform wonders whether motorcyclists all buy 'pret a porter' or there is in fact tailor somewhere who works these
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, problem here is that what i want ~doesn't exist. what you describe works wunderbar if one wants a very common item, yes.
BingoBoingo: As far as sourcing materials go, this would be the place to plant a workshop.
feedbot: http://ossasepia.com/2019/09/05/a-summers-summary-and-next-steps-in-eulora/ << Ossa Sepia -- A Summer's Summary and Next Steps in Eulora
diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-05#1933827 - mind stating the IP as well and as a rule for new urls please/
lobbes: looks like the last db dump from logs.nosuchlabs.com was from a few hours before I imported, so missing a few lines still. However the majority of 'em are there
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-04 23:31:40 lobbes: Of course this is with a near-empty database (not sure how much this matters, tbh). Will be taken offline shortly though for more testing
mircea_popescu: anyone wanna do a paypal for me btw ?
BingoBoingo: Chinese Defense Minister came for a visit. Some BRI stuff signed, China agreed to retrofit one of the UY Navy ships.
mircea_popescu: anyway, it's necessary, because they're so utterly wrong in everything
lobbes: it is funny, too, because even in the older days of the webforums "necroposting" was a taboo for some reason
lobbes: Just reinforces the already short attention span of the consumer, creating a nifty simulacrum of "feeling connected to the world"
mircea_popescu: back a decade ago /me was wondering outloud on trilema if it's gonna be necros or pedos next
lobbes: Of course this is with a near-empty database (not sure how much this matters, tbh). Will be taken offline shortly though for more testing
trinque: ohey it's a Mocky. how goes?
Mocky: I fell down a rabbit hole
asciilifeform: at any rate it aint as if i dun have a 19" rack here to test-fit'em in
BingoBoingo: alistas, la modificación “flexibiliza el debido control ecológico”, librando a la Argentina a transformarse en un país receptor de basura peligrosa como la nuclear, proveniente de Europa y otras regiones."
BingoBoingo: In other news, it looks like Europe and North America can get back to fake "plastic recyling" exports: "El cambio que el líder PRO imprimió a la vieja orden Nº 181/1992, que por entonces habilitaba a la importación de basura de otros países y que generó un escándalo por la aparición de residuos nucleares en el gobierno de Menem, pasó tan solo por un artículo: según trabajadores de la Economía Popular y ambient
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: thing will run on a conventional atx (1u) ps , incidentally.
trinque: imho impolite that he didn't even post a picture of a stump before leaving
asciilifeform: re emacs scriptolade -- really gotta keep it clean, for, if nuffin else -- the fact that it uses a 1970s style lisp where 'stop-the-world gc' is in use , not really meant for heaviweight programmatism
asciilifeform: trinque: per mircea_popescu's spec, it aint a bug. ( and to switch it off, imho The Right Thing is simply to look against list of bots )
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-04 11:18:03 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-04#1933630 << 1st time i hear of such a thing. trinque what are you using instead nao ?
trinque: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-04#1933649 << patch is already in my hopper, just watching the testbot for a day or two longer. still connected btw.
asciilifeform: spyked: 'I still haven't genesized The Tar Pit; by the way, is there anyone else out there interested in using it?' << me. i'ma be moving my www and quite interested in all approaches to de-php-izing . and you have imho a++ visual coat on yours.
feedbot: http://thetarpit.org/posts/y06/09e-tmsr-work-v.html << The Tar Pit -- TMSR work: plan for 2019 M9, and a very brief discussion
ossabot: Logged on 2019-09-04 10:26:15 mircea_popescu: actually, let's see the list of feeds you got, prolly time for a review
asciilifeform: diana_coman: thank you for reading, signing, baking mirror, writing cookbook; a+++
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-04 08:57:46 spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-03#1933426 <-- speaking of which, I notice there's a feed in there, btcalpha.com, which consistently clogs up the bot. I'm guessing the site it points to is long dead, shall I remove it?
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-04 05:36:32 mircea_popescu: imo this makes emacs/elisp a poisonous pitfall, but not quite confident enough yet to make much noise about it.
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-04#1933630 << 1st time i hear of such a thing. trinque what are you using instead nao ?
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-04#1933621 << it isn't impossible, iirc mircea_popescu had a sql oops coupla yrs ago (but i thought was fully restored?)
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-04#1933610 << bvt i will comment on this when i get a chance to eat it properly
mircea_popescu: actually, let's see the list of feeds you got, prolly time for a review
ossabot: Logged on 2019-09-04 05:52:04 mircea_popescu: imo this makes emacs/elisp a poisonous pitfall, but not quite confident enough yet to make much noise about it.
spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-04#1933632 <-- I've found emacs useful for exactly one thing over the years: plugging "w3m" browser into it, which aids copy-pasting lines and posting comments on blogs when in terminal. other than that, /me also stopped chasing this particular wild goose about a year ago
spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-03#1933426 <-- speaking of which, I notice there's a feed in there, btcalpha.com, which consistently clogs up the bot. I'm guessing the site it points to is long dead, shall I remove it?
spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-03#1933398 <-- lol, I thought it had went down again when I saw this, got me alarmed there for a moment.
spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-03#1933393 <-- no headbashing involved, man asked a legit q about ircbot (which still runs some of the bots here) and I answered the best I can
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, in a very theoretical principled view of the matter, "everyone drops it after sinking work into it for years" is a fine definition of evil.
mircea_popescu: imo this makes emacs/elisp a poisonous pitfall, but not quite confident enough yet to make much noise about it.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-03 20:36:55 asciilifeform: in principle could then have a mircea_popescu-style php reader, and e.g ada bot .
mircea_popescu: and in ongoing regexp lulz : "i am sure it was an image ~in a footnote~" "oh, ok then, WHERE `post_content` LIKE '%((%.jpg%%))%'" "mno, that only looks for pics after a footnote opener and before a footnote closer, not necessarily of the same footnote. it'll include all pics in an article with at least two footnotes, pretty much." "fuck"
mircea_popescu first read "i hope to share that bedroom with you", was a little scared. then re-read and all was well, sure, let's share all the boredom in the world.
feedbot: http://blog.lobbesblog.com/2019/09/to-ohio-and-back-again-a-photo-journey-with-cat-pics/ << lobbesblog -- To Ohio and back again: a photo journey (with cat pics)
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-03 21:39:00 trinque: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-03#1933497 << actually I fail to see the merit of sprinkling configuration throughout the filesystem, such that you can't interrogate the whole state of the webserver in a single place.
trinque: not that I have a favorite in either.
trinque: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-03#1933497 << actually I fail to see the merit of sprinkling configuration throughout the filesystem, such that you can't interrogate the whole state of the webserver in a single place.