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asciilifeform: that is one way to ensure that everyone who needs the stick, gets the stick, yes.
decimation: asciilifeform: well, the aforementioned English devised a system where every such chap has a stick-wielder nearby
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Adlai: mircea_popescu: maybe make http://mpex.bz/?mpsic=S.QNTR link to http://qntra.net instead of https?
asciilifeform: not everyone has a chap with a stick standing behind, ready to whack
asciilifeform: everyone 'has something to do'
asciilifeform: decimation: gedankenexperiment. what stops these folks from, e.g., opening a textbook & studying physics, math, greek, whatever ?
decimation: and 'neighborhoods' in the city
asciilifeform: keep the humans in shitholes with nothing to do << where is this done, outside of u.s. prisons ?
decimation: I suspect that few of the young apprentices that mircea_popescu mentioned ended up dispising the masters who showed them how dumb they were
Adlai: on the other hand, that child grew into a "psychologically unemployable" adult
Adlai: on one hand i'm pretty pleased about that, it enabled me to have tons of free time growing up, and i think i used it reasonably well
Adlai: and yes, it's fair to say that i was "mistreated" by never having to work for money until i stopped accepting my parents' charity
Adlai: i'm not sure what's humane or better, but i'm open to the possibility of there being better treatments than what we do now
mircea_popescu: Adlai i think english speakers mistreat their children horribly.
decimation: Adlai: do you think it is more 'humane' to pay to keep the humans in shitholes with nothing to do?
asciilifeform: Adlai: the 'animal rights' folks have it backwards. i've met people who envy the pigs.
Adlai: you think we treat animals (including people) well?
mircea_popescu: the only disgusting thing is that a minority of kids today are mistreated by not being so treated.
Adlai: and then i stop thinking about it because bacon
Adlai: whenever i think about such ideas, my disgust at the theoretical treatment of people turns into disgust at the actual way we treat animals today
mircea_popescu: dub what part of tuna do you find unclassy ?
mircea_popescu: Adlai in england you mean ? usually when he's old enough and skilled enough to practice a trade
mircea_popescu: you can still buy an indian girlie today.
decimation: mircea_popescu: not to mention they sent their criminals and 'surplus young men' into slavery in the colonies
mircea_popescu: decimation in the modern world too
decimation: in the ancient world it is my understanding that selling children into slavery was in some cases the 'social safety net'
mircea_popescu: pretty much every snotty brat got shipped off to slave labour at the age of about 7.
mircea_popescu: incidentally, this isn't some sort of crazy altenrate world. one of the chief pillars of english prosperity, not just financial but espexcially intellectual, was the flourishing free market in children they had.
asciilifeform: i wish we could ask herr rothbard about the market value of... ebola.
mircea_popescu: Adlai and be better off for it, too.
mircea_popescu: no, let them try to use all nine letter words :D
mircea_popescu: much like the vast majority of people writing should be charged
decimation: I have a friend who made his teenagres pay the utility bills
Adlai: text is too small to find it quickly through google images -> /me gives up
mircea_popescu: i think a vanishingly small minority of parents actually adds value through parenting.
Adlai: there's a doonesbury somewhere out there where mike's dad gives him a bill for all his parenting, including his share of rent
mircea_popescu: cocksucking's by far the better deal.
mircea_popescu: any helicopter mom can run the mouth for longer than anyone can maintain an erection.
mircea_popescu: if you're going to put up with parenting level bullshit you might as well answer one of those "will rent for cocksucking" craigslist ads.
mircea_popescu: this is plainly untrue. if teenager rent is null then pretty much any woman's rent is also null.
asciilifeform: rephrase, if you like, as 'unit of discretionary income per unit of lost free time.' ☟︎
asciilifeform: for teenager, rent can usually be set to null
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: use formula from earlier thread, 'wage per minute of actual work minus rent'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i've yet to meet adults that made less than teenager allowance.
mircea_popescu: * Adlai is a bit puzzled by the incentives arising from s.qntr's share model... authors are incentivized to write the longest possible article which will pass review, while the editor is incentivized to pick the shortest available article on a specific subject << works i guess.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'better to be rich and healthy than poor and disease-ridden', yes.
Adlai looks at the listing again
BingoBoingo: Well, there's a timeline to answer how beyond what is contained in the listing document. Any or all of the methods proposed there may be considered.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> larval cycle where you are supported by external wires (parents, student debt, etc.) << clearly spending your own money as you see fit should be a better position than begging mom/govt. so if that's what it is then... yeah, waste it. it sucks.
Adlai: BingoBoingo: "how" is the key word :)
asciilifeform: (or, is to contain.)
asciilifeform: http://cryptome.org/2014/10/nsa-eci-the-intercept-14-1010.pdf << now we know what drawer in the indiana jones vault contains rsa pill.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> or is there a set of staff authors ... ? << set as in brothel. anyone can submit for an audition
mircea_popescu: <cazalla> so regards to finding additional author, on the about page i added must be in wot + 6 months #b-a logs, i'm happy to loosen requirements if article quality is up to par, what do people think? << yah if they're in the wot at all and they submit something that's decent should be ok
xanthyos: much of the btc criticism i read online hearkens back to mtgox, like mtgox is this powerful buzzword that trumps all arguments, like rudy giuliani did with "9/11"
Adlai: how does qntra plan to monetize?
decimation: one wonders if usg actually keeps anything secret or just fills out paperwork to that effect
Adlai: i'm imagining a situation where authors are competing, i realize that qntra has a smaller author pool atm
asciilifeform: pertaining to the crown jewels.
asciilifeform: quite a bit of very interesting (though, naturally, unproven) turds on cryptome today
Adlai: decimation: after one of the snowden leaks, there were some emails sent around govt networks asking people not to open the leaked documents on workstations with lower clearance than the leaks
cazalla: and why would i be incentivised to write short articles? i can earn from the same pool of shares other authors do
decimation: One cannot imagine a better situation for allowing bureaucrats unlimited freedom of action than to create a massive propaganda apparatus (hollywood) which everyone (including dear leaders) believe to be the truth.
cazalla: if anything it will act as motivation for them to contribute a lot of quality content and possibly earn more than they would have by publishing it elsewhere
decimation: asciilifeform: that 'spytainment' paper is hilarious. I especially like the part about re-classification of previously publically released material.
cazalla: Adlai, providing contributors adhere to quality guidelines, i don't see long articles to be a problem for the website
Adlai: that doesn't necessarily produce the "best" content, although trying to incentivize "better" content through share distribution might be misguided
Adlai is a bit puzzled by the incentives arising from s.qntr's share model... authors are incentivized to write the longest possible article which will pass review, while the editor is incentivized to pick the shortest available article on a specific subject
asciilifeform: 'Perhaps even more disturbing, evidence suggests that policymakers—from cadets at West Point to senators on the Intelligence Committee to Supreme Court Justices—are referencing fake spies to formulate and implement real intelligence policies...'
Adlai: firing squads take a long time and use too much manpower (Eichmann et al, 1942)
asciilifeform: at any rate, the difference between disaster and war is that dodges don't work against war - it responds in kind.
asciilifeform admits he expected an honest, traditional firing squad, like a chump.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: seems as if you're still thinking of the whole thing as a natural disaster - rather than open biological warfare by usg against own subjects
asciilifeform: there was, if i recall, a trailer for neal stephenson's 'anathem'
Adlai: makes me just want to wait until the movie comes out
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Adlai: ok, this is the first time i've watched a video trailer for a book: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ruba41fF1Ag
Adlai: another possibility is to wash your hands before you eat, and use straws instead of benjies
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: if so, the simplest device is... a bank. the infected cash is brought to the bank, and given to the hapless devil inside. afterwards, one walks six metres to the cash machine and withdraws clean cash (generally, where i live, only newly-printed money is ever placed into the cassette, to avoid jamming rollers.) << Out I get some used, but pressed bills out of the cash machine
BingoBoingo: Adlai: Depending on where one places their cut off for "life" it could be. I'm of the opinion that fire meets the minimum qualifications for living though.
Adlai: "free from bacteria or other living microorganisms; totally clean"
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: if so, the simplest device is... a bank. the infected cash is brought to the bank, and given to the hapless devil inside. afterwards, one walks six metres to the cash machine and withdraws clean cash (generally, where i live, only newly-printed money is ever placed into the cassette, to avoid jamming rollers.)
mats_cd03: i know a guy that knows a guy.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: in the literal sense?
asciilifeform long-time practitioner of this dark art
asciilifeform: it is possible to pay one's way into most academic libraries.
RagnarDanneskjol: harvard law library is open to public?
mats_cd03: guess ill go to the harvard law school library and bug some librarians for tips
mats_cd03: i am realizing the West Key system is not going to be helpful in doing this legal research
asciilifeform: for some of the people in question, this has been artificially extended into 20s, 30s, and on.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: re: 'youth' article: when americans repeat the maxim 'don't waste your youth', generally they aren't talking about purely chronological age. what they really mean is 'youth' in the sense of the larval cycle where you are supported by external wires (parents, student debt, etc.)
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BingoBoingo: Food for thought. Bone wax is an actual product applied to living bone.
asciilifeform was confused by talk of 'finding authors' earlier.
cazalla: they as in anyone that wants to contribute to the site and earn equity
asciilifeform: then find << which they ? that was the q
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Everything for the occasion. Maybe eventually a staff? Qntra only pays in equity though.
cazalla: ideally they find some news, verify rumour, something of interest to readers that is original
asciilifeform: or is there a set of staff authors ... ?