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asciilifeform: and cesium -- about same as 'rolex'
asciilifeform: dunno, rubidium clock costs nomoar than a typical comp
asciilifeform: more often because it loses to 'atomic' clock, which seems to derps to be much cheaper than it is because inca broadcast
asciilifeform: compared to, say, naive self-feedbacking inverter clock, or r-c clock.
asciilifeform: folx spit on quartz resonators, but they're a quite remarkable thing.
asciilifeform: aa
asciilifeform: ~14mhz
asciilifeform: err, ~2+
asciilifeform: in the time it took you to write this, yer fg clock beat out 28^20 time units.
asciilifeform: i have nuffin against mircea_popescu's beingimpressed.
asciilifeform: point is, scale alone dun impress, or we'd all eat, very impressedly, at mickey d
asciilifeform: mega-range.
asciilifeform: if all you want is range, can say that a glass bottle as easily holds 1 molecule of water, as....
asciilifeform: it's alive, fwiw, loads
asciilifeform: dunno where i remembered 250. gotta be from lattice-ice
asciilifeform: 125
asciilifeform: ^ subj
asciilifeform: !~google xc9572
asciilifeform: !#s xc9572
asciilifeform: dc to 250mhz approx
asciilifeform: the cpld in fg, for instance.
asciilifeform: dunno re intel's turd, but plenty of static (i.e. clocks from dc to max) on embedded market.
asciilifeform: worx same from 1hz to 1e9.
asciilifeform: your cpu.
asciilifeform: rmoar impressive
asciilifeform: by that token evenmoaf
asciilifeform: say,
asciilifeform: an sram, sah,
asciilifeform: i can picture that it'd impress folx who experienced 'typical' technology being webolade, ducttape, perl. the way austrian bidet impressed asciilifeform's grandfather.
asciilifeform: it was obvious that it'd work, in this sense, on day1
asciilifeform: how could they move ? it's a pretty hard thermostat
asciilifeform: scaled all the way into becoming a chinese national property.
asciilifeform: the asic-building tourney is intrinsically cartelizing.
asciilifeform: and disadvantages.
asciilifeform: and won't.
asciilifeform: they haven't tho.
asciilifeform: perfectly happy to replace pow with my wot.
asciilifeform: i duncare what obummer and gavin have to say re the worldstate,
asciilifeform: and currently i'm of the mind that pow is an idiot substitute for wot.
asciilifeform: as mircea_popescu already observed.
asciilifeform: pow where having found the prev champ is of ~any~ advantage, is ipso facto retarded tho.
asciilifeform: very rough attempt.
asciilifeform: and yes mircea_popescu this item is an attempt at the unified theory, rather than proposal for concrete cointron.
asciilifeform: the ants, their own, cockroaches, their own, men -- their own.
asciilifeform: even picture various worldfuncts coexisting. genuine multiversecoin.
asciilifeform: grr
asciilifeform: errr
asciilifeform: i can rven
asciilifeform: notice that item in this thread makes no reference to how-hashed or other technominutiae .
asciilifeform: i gave an example scalar, 'coins moved but over 1 block delta'. it is by no means the only possible.
asciilifeform: ( possibly it was already obvious, how. )
asciilifeform: at least i formalized how.
asciilifeform: chinese liquishit is no future.
asciilifeform: there may not ultimately be another solution.
asciilifeform: *clear to
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it isn't cleat to me that wot isn't the troo solution to time. e.g. 'i'ma follow the multiverse mircea_popescu picks, and fuck everyone'
asciilifeform: aha
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'don't be in a cave' is not solution ?
asciilifeform: trinque: 'zoolag' still 30k behind
asciilifeform trying very different tack re 'trbi' than in prev thread, instead of massive warcrime , series of small gedankenexperiment.
asciilifeform: q is more re fundamentals. suppose you had another, yet-unspecified means to distributecoin.
asciilifeform: it couldn't, even if entirely flawless, it dun distribute coin
asciilifeform: then no crowbar.
asciilifeform: so i'ma borrow mircea_popescu's orig argument, 'dont ever be isolatednode'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: your picture seems to be a variant of the 'isolated node' argument. except nao with the sides reversed
asciilifeform: i still dungetit
asciilifeform: i dungetit
asciilifeform: when baking tx
asciilifeform: why would anyone build on their alt-world tho
asciilifeform: in the proposed algo -- the block, from all the alternatives you have, with greatest summed coinmovement
asciilifeform: and is invalid outside of it.
asciilifeform: when you craft a tx, it presupposes 1 particular history.
asciilifeform: lesse how ?
asciilifeform: ... or can unwind.
asciilifeform: yea but would described algo wurk.
asciilifeform: kill it with fire.
asciilifeform: ffs
asciilifeform: dafuq?
asciilifeform: lol feepingcreaturism
asciilifeform: i suspect that if you ditch autoconf, and snip out ALL #ifdef crapola (esp. and inclusive of uniturdism and 'localism' ) you will end up with a sysv-sized util
asciilifeform: it Must Die.
asciilifeform: kill autoconf. it has no place in this world.
asciilifeform: ( it was perhaps 80% of how asciilifeform cut koch-mpi , by similar proportion )
asciilifeform: phf: lemme guess, it was by nuking autoconf
asciilifeform: ( each candidate-tx is irreversibly bound to its author's picture-at-the-time of the complete world history )
asciilifeform: to round out the crackpottery : i've described what is more or less a working variant of ye olde warcrime, the multiverse coin ☟︎
asciilifeform: neato, phf
asciilifeform: oh hey
asciilifeform: ( to complete the picture above : no pow, but a tx ~does~ carry a lubyism, e.g. three lengths of 64bits , each of these the xor of 3 64bit substrings of the world-state, hashtronically selected based ~strictly on the tx payload's hash~ -- nothing to waltz, yer stuck with so-and-so lubyism obligation to fulfill by virtue of yer inputs being such-an-such and yer outputs such-an-such )
asciilifeform: but entirely possible that it was in my blind spot. so i'ma leave this here, and make moar detailed sketch if mircea_popescu asks , later.
asciilifeform: i modelled this item on paper, and did not find any obvious place in which to put a crowbar and make the thing break apart in the 'rewrite history' sense.
asciilifeform: to prevent 1 d00d with fat wallet from monopolizing all future blocks, would have to count 'mass' only for resolving forks of length 1 . (i.e. 1 block, however 'heavy', cannot 'outweigh' 2. )
asciilifeform: however there is no block reward. anyone can proclaim a block, so long as he can find one or more valid tx that haven't sat down in a block yet. the 'pow value' of the block , for the purpose of longest-chain, however, consists of the ~total coins moved~ in the tx-en that sat down in it.
asciilifeform: prolly i'm doomed to describe a complete algo nao. so consider : no pow. a block is 2^20 bytes . it can hold a certain # of fixed-length tx ( i will not repeat earlier scheme, with the luby etc., imho it was adequate. ) ;
asciilifeform: ( i.e. when you craft such a tx, you're doing it against a specific picture of whole blockchain, from t==0 to your highestknownblock )
asciilifeform: and, i'll add, in light of the luby proof-of-storage item. ☟︎
asciilifeform: this gedankenexperiment should be seen in light of the earlier 'all tx have absolute position and make references to absolutepositional outputs' item from earlier 'trbi' thread.
asciilifeform: *antirewind
asciilifeform: suppose the bulldog and rhinoceros were cut apart.
asciilifeform: w for antireplay ? can you picture a scheme where... it doesn't.