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bounce: then there's the "yes but we added sensors to check you're alive" -- that doesn't help you once this happens: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/4396831.stm
chetty has low skin oil, they have a hard time getting prints when I go thru immigration :P
bounce: or the brasilian doctors with latex fingers. or the aussie kids with gummi bears. or schaeuble's fingerprints in datenschleuder. or various other demonstrations.
asciilifeform: think of it this way, if fingerprint is your password, you're leaving a 'stickynote' with your password on nearly everything you touch.
chetty: yeah, but that was recent repeat, I guess no one was paying attention
asciilifeform: chetty: much earlier than that
chetty: didnt the whole fingerprint thing get destroyed recently with iPhone lift?
thestringpuller: reminds me of the episode of south park where they frame michael jackson
bounce: now, visa and mastercard aren't banks, but they work for banks. which then gives the lie to the premise that banks are safe places for money (or valuables, for that matter) and as such are worthy of the customer's trust
bounce: rather transparent ploy at that, but succeeding
asciilifeform: burden of proof (to impossible degree) will be on the chump, to show that his fingerprint was lifted.
asciilifeform: that is, the chump can once again be presumed guilty of fraud if he dares to contest a charge, just like in the 'bad old days.'
asciilifeform: one reason why they push fingerprints and similar crap is the 'prima facie' concept ☟︎
bounce wonders if mastercard will stump up the costs for fingerprint surgery in case of fingerprint-theft, or they'll rather just burn the customer instead
bounce: because fingerprints are totally better than passwords. much more seekrit.
asciilifeform: ergo >>> u.s. soldiers sent to the hot zone will be enforcing obola quarantines by... asking politely.
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asciilifeform: provided it is packed in their checked luggage.'
asciilifeform: carry weapons in Liberia. Personnel are authorized to bring small knives into Liberia
asciilifeform: Liberia. The U.S. Embassy, in coordination with UNMIL, does not allow U.S. military to
kakobrekla: pile of money to burn through i suspekt
asciilifeform: only because no one yet has the audacity to list usg payola as 'profit'
kakobrekla: yet they are still not profitable
asciilifeform: coinbase << the folks who delay transactions to help you get shafted optimally?
ben_vulpes: kakobrekla: one can claim, but there's a trilema for that :P
kakobrekla: obviously no person in the world today can claim their system is unbroken.
thestringpuller: but I dunno how much anyone really trusts coinbase
ben_vulpes: it's been a decent tool for hacking mud, that's about all i know.
mats_cd03: i'm still learning how docker works, though, so if i'm wrong here people should chime in and tell me so
mats_cd03: people struggle with the security practices that result from the way LXC works
ben_vulpes: i'm getting the gist.
mats_cd03: i forget the rest.
mats_cd03: LXC has been battle tested for a few years. containers, decades. seccomp is available in the LXC driver, but not in libcontainer. so, the same risks as before -- arbitrary execution of kernel code. leaking to other containers, lack of fine-grained access to devices (in the works, i belieb)
ben_vulpes: just a few years ago i was building wafer hosts - there is much i don't know about websec.
ben_vulpes: would you enumerate the risks?
mats_cd03: and roughly as easy to shoot self in head.
mats_cd03: there aren't fancy exploits, just more of the same risks as before
kakobrekla: and related to 'which python'
ben_vulpes: related to asciilifeform's "must fit in head" problem
asciilifeform is reminded of a recent trip to a hardware store, where he saw an entire rack of different kinds of 'duct tape', of nominally greater and greater strengths.
ben_vulpes: i guess at a high level stupid solution to stupid problems.
ben_vulpes: for instance, different versions of the python imaging library for different services.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu, mats_cd03: ease of dependency management, resource isolation, cognitive overhead. i'm dumb and have to deal with crazy complex legacy shit that's most expediently put into 'containers for poor and time constrained engineers'.
kakobrekla: i was like is ascii telling me something in binary and i have to guess the first bit ??
asciilifeform: phototransistor sensor won't light a room. air quality sensor won't remove pollution. thermometer won't heat the house. hygrometer won't remove humidity. 'shake sensor' won't shoot intruders. etc
kakobrekla: buttstamp guys that got 10mio funding for their exchange a while back invested part of that in https://cubesensors.com
ben_vulpes: <mats_cd03> too bad nobody wants to talk about how its horridly vulnerable << well enlighten my derpy ass
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kakobrekla: should be able to up yourself now
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user PinkPosixPXE to user CryptoKitten: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=PinkPosixPXE&dest=CryptoKitten | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=CryptoKitten | Rated since: never
CryptoKitten: I thought if I grouped this nick in nickserv gribble might link their auth status, but that was probably ambitious.
gribble: Error: For identification purposes, you must be authenticated to use the rating system.
CryptoKitten: yea figured it might be the nick
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask CryptoKitten!~PinkPixie@ec2-54-86-70-168.compute-1.amazonaws.com. CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick. Trust relationship from user assbot to user PinkPosixPXE: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=PinkPosixPXE | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=PinkPosixPXE | Rated since: never
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user CryptoKitten: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=CryptoKitten | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=CryptoKitten | Rated since: never
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user CryptoGoon: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=CryptoGoon | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=CryptoGoon | Rated since: never
kakobrekla: or was that someone else
CryptoKitten: though that was never the motive :)
CryptoKitten: You'd think the Pink prefix on the other would elude to my gender, but perhaps it's not girly enough
kakobrekla: lol you two confuse the shit out of me
CryptoKitten: kakobrekla: yea I noticed that worked out for me well
assbot: Bitcoin Ticker - bitstamp
CryptoKitten: You feature of bitcoin ticker, if you haven't seen it yet : You can replay timeframes now. http://bitcointicker.co/replay/bitstamp/
kakobrekla: see, all you had to do is /nick femalenick
kakobrekla: in that case use ignore :p
Adlai: kakobrekla: ok, but this was the same guy spamming mats_cd03
bounce is holding out for WOM-driven encabulators for the digital age
bounce: all those unpythonic pythonistas. surely the end of the neighbourhood.
Adlai: there may be only one way to do it, but they must've missed the memo
Adlai: python in general is OK, the problem is other people's python...
Adlai drowns in python so he has relevant things to say in this upcoming call
Vexual: mats_cd03: thats illegal!
Adlai: right, the next question was whether i want to up pm spammers
Adlai: but i'm not a trading bot
bounce: go on and try
Adlai is getting PM requests to !up people, can he even do that?
mats_cd03: writing a trading bot is easily top five most trite and boring
Adlai: if i'd wanted comeback i'd have asked your mother to spit in a cup
Adlai: why not just two minutes in sunlight
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Adlai: investing is more than "just gambling", but some derivatives are structured in a way which makes them more like a fancy roulette wheel than "investing"
Adlai: wrt casinos... the market is just one big decentralized casino
RagnarDanneskjol: probability theory even*
RagnarDanneskjol: er no. martingale relates to general probabilistic theory, is used in predictive trading systems, not just dice games derp
Adlai: (the smaller the minimum order relative to your capital, the more steps in your martingale)
Adlai: my main reason for using kraken for developement is their minimum order size of 0.01 euro, which means i can risk a lot less capital
Vexual: nevertheless all and sundry are happy on their own
Adlai: no. so that's the AUM of all scalpl instances which i have configured myself, but i highly doubt that there are any others.
Adlai: at no point in history has the total AUM of all running scalpl instances exceeded $10K
RagnarDanneskjol: again - I just deconstruct these things for research/amusement purposes.. no plans to 'do anything' with code really. I have a day job that keeps my too busy, any fre time is for ma doggies
Adlai: the user configures pretty much everything about how it interprets the market, my goal is for this to essentially be a trading slave which you can teach your algorithms and then sip martinis while it trades away
Adlai: RagnarDanneskjol: are you interested in using scalpl once it's at that level?
Adlai: right now, the answer is "until the guy who's supposed to call me, calls me"
kakobrekla: nevertheless the question remains.
Vexual: ill give you money anyway, just to be a cunt
Adlai: * | Vexual concede it'll be immediately after he takes my money << the beauty of scalpl's design is that you don't have to give me your money to use it, although you do have to trust the exchange which you choose to use
Adlai tends to /ignore in his brain, not in his IRC client
Adlai: ie, you'll still need to rtfm/s and configuration will require editing textual config files
Vexual concede it'll be immediately after he takes my money
Adlai: i'm hoping to have scalpl as usable as the average unix utility by the end of the month