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mircea_popescu: seems kinda redundant/spammy. next time.
pete_dushenski: i meant on the blog.. but i see where you're going. i'll drop him a twit.
mircea_popescu: my twitter's dead and i don't feel like social media anyway
pete_dushenski: please to leave comment perhaps?
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu lol will do. i remember that article well.
assbot: The future of Bitcoin regulation pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski << http://trilema.com/2013/the-future-of-bitcoin-regulation/ tell garzik i said they missed the boat.
mircea_popescu: hey, more power to 'em.
asciilifeform: right here in town, yes
mircea_popescu: MITRE Partners with University System of Maryland to Operate New Cybersecurity R&D Center for the National Institute of Standards and Technology ?
asciilifeform: 'nonprofit' that's 99% dhs, dod, nsa by weight
mircea_popescu: no idea who/what it's supposed to help
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: typical, actually
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform and check out the cve link for details, going straight to an unmaintained dump page.
asciilifeform: but all the semantics of original must be preserved, to begin. ☟︎
asciilifeform: this thing won't need bdb crapolade where it's going.
mod6: just putting it out there.
Apocalyptic: it's the other way around heh
asciilifeform: 'the doctor saved the patient's ear, but did pluck out his eye i fear'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform remember this suspicion for later.
asciilifeform: lol they assign cve for unknown gotcha through unknown mechanism!!?
mod6: so .6.3 fixes this: http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2012-3789
gribble: Moron Lab: January 2010: <http://moronlab.blogspot.com/2010_01_01_archive.html>; wintersmith-kelvin - npm: <https://www.npmjs.org/package/wintersmith-kelvin>; Software Installation & System Requirements | Kelvin TOP-SET ...: <http://www.kelvintopset.com/software-installation-system-requirements>
asciilifeform: and herr dr moldbuggr claims that he does
mircea_popescu: how the fuck it is code never shrinks ?
asciilifeform always imagined that a pascaline ought really to be something akin to a guillotine
mircea_popescu: pick among these according to which bias (early, late) you want
mircea_popescu: othernubs` you'll never get there. but anyway : 0.6.3 most recent acceptable ; 0.5.3 i guess, earliest acceptable.
asciilifeform: othernubs`: picture if you were sending the damn thing back in time, to blaise p. for implementation on a gigantic Pascaline, or herr babbage, etc
othernubs`: Apocalyptic, i'm attempting to guide the conversation towards stating what is and isn't desired in the codebase
Apocalyptic: what's the issue with 0.5.3 ?
mircea_popescu: <othernubs`> publishing job in danger of morphing into coding job <<< nubsy has antennae, and they're tuned for danger!
othernubs`: he creates raw tx using node.js script and sends to network via blockchain.info broadcast
Apocalyptic: othernubs`, you're seriously suggesting using the "current" release ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: care to drop even a small hint of what you're using? gizmo of own authorship? it isn't like you keep it hotwalleted, anyway
othernubs`: ...is anyone able to express succinctly yet accurately why current release isn't okay?
mircea_popescu: <ben_vulpes> <mircea_popescu> anyway, the consensus seems to be 6.3 ? << i've yet to hear a compelling argument for anything past 0.5.3 << ok, so 5.4
othernubs`: let's get some big miners to give up their secret sauce
othernubs`: that's the question
asciilifeform: that was the whole enigma
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: what release are you targeting?
asciilifeform begins to wonder if this escapade will end with him maintaining 0.wtf in some dark cloister, for food and water
asciilifeform owns one of these, treats it as a mildly retarded linux box with defective wm
asciilifeform: i thought it had normal posix
ben_vulpes: ALSO STILL VULNERABLE TO SHELLSHOCK
ben_vulpes: another reason this damn platform's doomed
ben_vulpes: getting command line functionality on os x has been a headache every time i tried it
asciilifeform: picture it's being sent to the past, for your ascension to godhood
othernubs`: well, bv says 0.5.3 is minimum that will work
asciilifeform: next we become great sculptors. we buy a mountain of marble, and decide what's in there that we don't want.
othernubs`: maybe we start with defining what's in current that we don't want
asciilifeform still puzzled that mircea_popescu won't pick a favourite here
mod6: it's in the pastes.
othernubs`: so we'll split the difference between 0.5.3 and 0.6.3, go with 0.5.8
mod6: ben_vulpes: so the main issue was the deps so far. i went to the deb site and it gave me some to add to the sources.list, but didn't seem to help. i can try something different tomorrow if you have suggestions.
asciilifeform: this seems like a bind until you realize that what is taught now is 'solve with unicorn tears, milked out of your arse'
ben_vulpes: but when you're taught that the right solution to all problems is to do it by hand, with the tools handed one by authority, unlearning that is hard
ben_vulpes: constraint problems, too?
ben_vulpes: i: solved quadratics by hand because programming solvers was taught to me to be cheating
ben_vulpes: well, consider all the things i've been unlearning
asciilifeform: even winblows user could handily pop the dos shell and 'bitcoind sendtoaddress .....'
asciilifeform: i never really grasped what the gui was for
ben_vulpes: but i don't see any roadblocks at this time.
ben_vulpes: i still depend on the qt client. need to come up with a workflow that works for the 0.5.3 client.
ben_vulpes: i'm transitioning backwards asciilifeform
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: let's put another way, lowest version you would be willing to use for daily life.
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> anyway, the consensus seems to be 6.3 ? << i've yet to hear a compelling argument for anything past 0.5.3
ben_vulpes: although let's be clear, i was just browsing the release notes. if there were breaking changes merged in since then, this'd be a lulzy way to surface them.
asciilifeform: no mandatory cars to maintain
asciilifeform: 1.20 dollars a day << ehehehe - no. not comparable figure with usa 1.20/diem. ro didn't have to pay rent, had no ruinous tax, cheap non-synthetic food even in the depths of collapse
decimation: russia has lots of white people and lots of resources, asians too
mircea_popescu: this is no figure of speech either. in 1992ish, plenty of romanians working for the state made ~1.20 dollars a day
assbot: List of countries by GDP (nominal) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
decimation: lol. yeah according to idiowiki they are about #8 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_%28nominal%29
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla not that somalia, the other somalia.
mircea_popescu: see, these things happen but don't last.
decimation: for awhile they were under Portugal
mircea_popescu: russia moved from 1990 to 2010 about as much as china moved from 1980 to 2005.
mircea_popescu: it's not THAT sad, not anymore.
decimation: yeah it was the sane move. russia has a sad economy but enormous natural reserves, they should price their money like kuwait
mircea_popescu: which is actually the major bargaining chip with the eu, not stupid produce import bans
mircea_popescu: trade deal (that circumvents the US dollar). In comparison, the US is a dead man walking: unless it can continue rolling over trillions of dollars in short-term debt every month at record-low interest rates, it won't be able to pay the interest on its debt or its bills.
mircea_popescu: Financially, Russia's position is so solid that even the three Western credit ratings agencies don't have the gall to downgrade Russia's rating, sanctions notwithstanding. This is a country that is aggressively paying down its foreign debt, is running a record-high budget surplus, has a positive balance of payments, is piling up physical gold reserves, and not a month goes by that it doesn't sign a major international
decimation: to paraphrase mr. yarvin, every asset must pass through the bitcoin-hole
mircea_popescu: no, the solution is purely monetary.
mircea_popescu: it's not a matter of bankruptcy anyway. so debt is senior to equity, facebook implodes leaving a 60 bn hole, what's going to be sold ? watsapp ?
decimation: well, I guess the law of bankruptcy handed down from the ancients is that debt is senior to equity
mircea_popescu: decimation nah, they still have the ability to choose one.
decimation: mircea_popescu: it strikes me that if rates are hiked both stocks and bonds would take a hit
mircea_popescu: w. joyce was not particularly luxurious for that matter.
mircea_popescu: as plausible as all that may be...
asciilifeform: and has contacts there.
asciilifeform: also if i recall he did a tour of duty in u.s. finance derpatronics industry
assbot: BitBet - Bitcoin to drop under $200 before December :: 2.03 B (10%) on Yes, 17.33 B (90%) on No | closed 3 hours 46 minutes ago
TheNewDeal: http://bitbet.us/bet/1056/bitcoin-to-drop-under-200-before-december/#c4173 << check it out, they managed to break the urls. <<< happened a month earlier as well, no one bitched http://bitbet.us/bet/1046/gold-above-1200-on-november-1st/
mircea_popescu: he doesn't have the specific knowledge ot discern.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform anything can be obtained from "the internet". obviously. knowing what to obtain however...
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: but i have about the same amount of use for the information as a chimp does for pentium
mircea_popescu: anyway, anyone want to bet on whether the stock or the bond market will take it in the ass ? thatr's the major debate in washnington atm. stocks are basically the young libtards, bonds the old ones.
undata: mod6: nah that wouldn't be general across distros