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mircea_popescu: it just means everyone else is drowning in their own shit
decimation: the implication being that assange has accomplished little with his derpcapade
mircea_popescu: <assbot> Julian Assange: "Bitcoin's Blockchain Most Intellectually Interesting Development In The Last Five Years | Qntra.net << for sure.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Cazalla as head of qntra was a gift that keeps giving. Dude knows tone.
mircea_popescu: cazalla the sorrow in that "That's about as close as you can get with BitCoin." is delicious.
BingoBoingo: decimation: BB10? Think it was bigkernellock like OpenBSD though
decimation: heh http://www.qnx.com/developers/docs/6.3.0SP3/neutrino/sys_arch/smp.html#SMP " Symmetric multiprocessing addresses the issue by running only one copy of Neutrino on all of the system's CPUs."
decimation: qnx was fun. did they ever have a multiprocessing variant?
BingoBoingo: The New Reno region mircea_popescu wants to playground eventually as new world hantaviruses, keep your distance from the mice...
asciilifeform: 'Eurasian hantaviruses can incubate for up to 42 days, but are not usually directly contagious between people.' (linked piece)
asciilifeform: 'They are not the first to blame Ebola for an ancient plague. Scientists and classicists in San Diego reported in 1996 that the symptoms of the plague of Athens around 430 BC, described by Thucydides, are remarkably similar to Ebola, including a distinctive retching or hiccupping. Apart from that, many of the symptoms of that plague- – and one in Constantinople in AD 540 – -were similar to the Black Death.'
BingoBoingo: Oh Today's World Series game is competitive
assbot: Did bubonic plague really cause the Black Death? - health - 24 November 2001 - New Scientist
assbot: Julian Assange: "Bitcoin's Blockchain Most Intellectually Interesting Development In The Last Five Years | Qntra.net
asciilifeform: about similar (in conceptual 'weight' rather than design!) to the unix described in 'lions book.'
asciilifeform: therefore closer to 'fits in head.'
asciilifeform: it is only less of a turd than other unix-likes because:
asciilifeform: actually it had connections, and, afaik, still runs on various 'if they told you they'd have to kill you' hardware - but not a going concern
bounce: so qnx lacked military connections and dishonesty to succeed
asciilifeform: qnx << a very interesting item, and i loved playing with it when young, but it was inevitably bulldozed by the age of no-you-can't-make-money-selling-close-os-unless-you-re-apple-or-microshit
assbot: BitPay To Assist Paydici To Enable Bitcoin Based Recurring Billing | Qntra.net
asciilifeform: need both the will and the way.
asciilifeform: and presuming folks wanted to.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it would be, if it were simple to mirror. and every post signed.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> instant anti-ddos pill << this is like saying that because anyone can wget -m qntra.net that's an anti ddos pill
joecool: BingoBoingo: i dunno, 10 still has that too
asciilifeform: even the source doesn't fit on floppy
BingoBoingo: joecool: Whatever came before 10 and had wifi calling and the vibrating dildo function
asciilifeform: i explained the floppy
asciilifeform: any of the 29 (?) magickey holders can make you one & sign it
bounce: full source is never going to work on a floppy, unless you can make xor compression work
asciilifeform: shrunk binary-only thing is the binary.
asciilifeform: that never pulls - anything - off the net on its own accord.
bounce: then split it in a full build-everything-from-source thing and a shrunk binary-only thing
bounce: why'd you want to distribute the cc if you're going to distribute binaries?
BingoBoingo: joecool: BB9 was perfect for what a person could expect out of a mobile turd os though
mircea_popescu: <jurov> there must be some statistic how price of uprooting increases with age >> it does ? why would it ?
bounce: boost is a bit ludicrous, even for the c++ course
joecool: BingoBoingo: bb10 is not that bad, come on
asciilifeform: if someone wants to try building a cpp preprocessor using tinycc - be the hero, yes.
asciilifeform: fabrice bellard's tinycc would be neat, but no cpp.
bounce: switch to a smaller cc first? :-p
asciilifeform: bounce: floppy << not for the whole orchestra, no. gcc alone, think! but to get minimal skeletal userland.
asciilifeform: decimation: bitcoind begs to be split into at least 3 programs << of which only 1 is necessary !
BingoBoingo: bounce: Well worse is when the company buys a floundering product and hides it to success like Intel did with DEC ALpha
bounce: then again, bb is floundering too. won't be the first time some company buys up something good for a bout of fleeing forward, goes down anyway and takes the good with it
decimation: 1.) blockchain gather/relay 2.) transaction accumulate/relay 3.) blockchain database 4.) own transaction receive/generate 5.) wallet crypto
bounce: well yeah I'm not too happy bb bought it up, no matter how good it'd be for them. qnx was a bit floundering though, that with everyone running off to leen0x and no real hardware incentive for what makes qnx special. just throw more hardware at the problem and it's sorted. (the beancounters think)
BingoBoingo: What there's a temporary Vag shortage so queefing is out of the question
bounce: oh c'mon with the quoting
BingoBoingo: <bounce> qnx was a thing way before blackberry existed << Indeed, but way for a decent RTOS to ruin the last Mobile OS
bounce: they did a one floppy demo once (twice, there's the xmas edition) that let you boot a full graphical desktop plus browser
bounce: qnx was a thing way before blackberry existed
BingoBoingo: <bounce> for the one floppy trick you'd probably need qnx or so, but not sure if bitcoind would fit with that, even after you kicked out photon and the browser << QNX that Blackberry thing?
bounce: decimation: which three are you proposing?
BingoBoingo: bounce: Many of those abandoned, poor rng and gcc as FreeBSD derivatives
bounce: for the one floppy trick you'd probably need qnx or so, but not sure if bitcoind would fit with that, even after you kicked out photon and the browser
bounce: don't think so.
decimation: asciilifeform: bitcoind begs to be split into at least 3 programs
BingoBoingo doesn't know if OpenBSD plus userland can be stripped to 1 FDD...
asciilifeform: and this, imho, is proper.
asciilifeform: controlled through (emulated) serial tty.
asciilifeform: my present emulation, incidentally, is not to have network access
jurov: i'll look into the mailman
asciilifeform is presently engaged in trying to collect the smallest (bitwise) possible bsd+gcc+etc combo that will build bitcoind 0.5-0.6
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: 5.5 is the first version after I cared to get the physical CD's
nubbins`: and an excuse to own a small hammer
thestringpuller: and then you can send it here to have it bound
nubbins`: it's good exercise for the fingers
thestringpuller: so once you figure that out, nubbins can do a good printing job
asciilifeform: i've bound an odd book here & there.
thestringpuller: a writer buddy of mine does bookbinding of journals as one of his fanatical things
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: afaik it has not yet been decided what ought to be between the pages...
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: I may be able to fulfill your order with nubbins` help
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: DO you want me to rip my openbsd cd's and upload them somewhere?
asciilifeform: incidentally, anyone who wants to mirror the proposed mailing list, will be able to do so at his pleasure.
asciilifeform: yes, that's the only work-like part of this proposal, yes
asciilifeform: patch to mailman << why ?
jurov: with a patch to mailman?
BingoBoingo: <jurov> so you say what will be hosted - only list of patches and a script << I actually imagined set of books for the core an annumal supplement book of refinemnts
asciilifeform: since, at least in the mechanism i suggested, no message shall be ever published that is not signed, any reader can verify that the mailing list is authentic.
asciilifeform: jurov: also host a copy of the present state of the mailing list, perhaps
asciilifeform: only really need stock gpg to verify.
jurov: that will verify and apply them?
asciilifeform: it's the only way to actually get somewhere with the old tub we have.
jurov: that could apply once we're close to the ideal
asciilifeform: the only way to emphasize the gravity of submitting a change to bitcoind.
asciilifeform: but wrong for this occasion.
asciilifeform: git etc. is very tempting, sweet, yes
jurov: yes, i just wanted to test, as it says
asciilifeform: static www hosting latest stable result of composition of gpg-signed patches from mailing list - yes, more yoga, but ultimately the Right Thing.
assbot: Logged on 22-10-2014 20:33:59; asciilifeform: i suggest going with whoever had the mailing list idea. emphasize the 'we sign things and so mechanism doesn't matter' aspect.
asciilifeform: at any rate, imho git is entirely the wrong pill here.
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: do you know who maintains that site?
asciilifeform: git clone http://therealbitcoin.org/test/bitcoin.git <<<< wtf nonsense is this, that's 2014 bitcoind in there.
undata: depends on what kind of business then
asciilifeform: undata: the internet solves that << if only.
asciilifeform: i guess there's the elementary fact that a 70 y.o. head of a firm cannot turn into a 20. y.o. apprentice again
BingoBoingo: Buy truck, drive to panama, 4 digit number to move truck around the Darien last time I priced it.
undata: and bitcoin solves getting paid by them