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decimation: yeah my main interest is that he catalogs the dependencies
mod6: decimation: i could be wrong here, but a quick look here seems like this dude is wrapping up bitcoin 0.9.3
decimation: asciilifeform et. al. it appears that this guy maintains a 'secure' bitcoin branch, as well as the dependencies: http://www.ringingliberty.com/bitcoin/
mircea_popescu: mod6 right, and mpif going through what, five profit centers ? sad.
mircea_popescu: speaking of which, qntra can prolly take some more science-minded writing. if you come up with anything talk to cazalla
mod6: war of life too, pretty cool new game
mircea_popescu: Bugpowder qntra and the bitcoin foundation.
Bugpowder: thought about that too late.
Bugpowder: now people can recognize you if parked somewhere… which could be a negative thing...
Bugpowder: Getting the plate was an anti-climax
Bugpowder: I can’t reorder the plate, cause the name is already taken
mircea_popescu: big fucking deal tho.
mod6: oh this thing? http://web.mit.edu/francov/www/citycar/
Bugpowder: but you need to explicitly center it with half-space characters
Bugpowder: assumed they would center the plate
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=shut%20the%20fuck%20up | It is the upgrade of "shut up" and is used mainly when you a... ... dsl: *ding* I think the microwave has just finished cooking that plate of shut the fuck up you ...
mircea_popescu: ;;ud fuck up the plate
Bugpowder: I was a bit faded when I ordered it and didn’t read the instructinos
Bugpowder: I fucked up the plate
Bugpowder: So sad tho
mircea_popescu: did you get that what was it, grant ?
Bugpowder: Give me a black box, random forest bagging tree algorithm over that shit any day
mircea_popescu: (then again, generally i think bayesian stuff is masturbation for the uneducated intelligent.)
Bugpowder: Also, hard to exploit with a large enough stack to make it worthwhile.
mircea_popescu: their publishing signals that they hold the sam ebelief.
mircea_popescu: aka glorified ta.
mircea_popescu suspects it's more valuable as a retrospective fitting than anything else
Bugpowder: Well… I think they would be more profit focused then
Bugpowder: Of course, why they would publish this instead of exploit it is an exercise for the reader. Probably they should’ve gone to Stanford.
Bugpowder: what I found interseting is that the primary pattern it found (Fig 4) was the exact pattern for my winning short term trades
Bugpowder: Profitable (previously) strategy for bitcoin trading
Bugpowder: Devavrat Shah Kang Zhang Laboratory for Information and Decision Systems Department of EECS Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Bugpowder: Yall have seen this? http://arxiv-web3.library.cornell.edu/pdf/1410.1231v1.pdf
Bugpowder: Been a while, not sure how to do it
PinkPosixPXE: re QR codes and exposing privkeys to the atmosphere: http://www.bloomberg.com/video/miller-s-lesson-guard-your-bitcoin-qr-code-1y5Uj8foQu~3Gn_qKclleQ.html
mircea_popescu snubs nose at song. o looky, chicky got electric guitar, not catching her fingers in the chords anymore even!
asciilifeform would like to suggest a term, 'dependently wealthy'
mircea_popescu: to write run, bitch run review or not to write run, bitch, run review...
RagnarDanneskjol: yea they're cool chicks - just discovered them recently. pretty decent garbage rock
mircea_popescu: because that's totally how it works, yeah.
PinkPosixPXE: These girls are very enthusiastic about making their own money, and being independently wealthy
asciilifeform: tempest horn doesn't have to belong to the crown.
asciilifeform: and 3-5 of them are reading log here.
asciilifeform: and wai wat, who ever said tempest needs to scale.
asciilifeform: or if it will have to wait for mechanicoin.
asciilifeform wonders if anyone has returned to paper tape
asciilifeform: back to qr codes per se: who builds the reader with no stateful internals?
asciilifeform: no idea what it costs, other than the fact usg can get as many of these as it likes.
asciilifeform: it was announced with some fanfare, too. (who has the balloon link?)
mircea_popescu: i've yet to capture one of those.
asciilifeform: done with automatics, usable by chimp, approx. the size of iPnohe (minus receiving horn)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: you really think it's still done with a van full of knob-twiddling sp00kz0rz ?
mircea_popescu: this is expensive. let them.
mircea_popescu: nobody's encouraging it. as long as it's there, people gotta keep tempest going.
asciilifeform isn't thrilled with the encouragement of exposing privkeys to the atmosphere, so to speak, by trivial optical export
mircea_popescu: the advantage of this arrangement is that it can be made easily and inconspicuously.
asciilifeform: really belongs as a piped apparatus though
asciilifeform: everyone in the room & across the street can see.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform actually the qr code is a legitimate optoseparator
asciilifeform doesn't see why qr code modem belongs in the already overcrowded rocket
asciilifeform waits for someone to say 'i keep all me coin in the iPnohe'
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: re: your chronicles: 'importprivkey' is more or less inescpable (how the fuck can one do anything technological with the thing, lacking it?)
cazalla: i would not even lend them niggas a pencil
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mod6: and if there is anything that's deemed "required", we'll be putting those things in. getting us to the baseline.
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> even if it's the void set, still step 0. << so this totally could be a void set. but we'll certainly look at what changes are in here post v0.5.3->6.3 just to ensure that we don't miss anything (http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/10/20_a-summary-of-changes-to-bitcoin-since-0321.html)
mod6: once there, then start to schedule in the amputations.
mod6: get us to a point where we can feel good about just what we're starting with.
mod6: my philosophy on this project is: first, do no harm.
mod6: yeah, i think you're right that any place that actually gives a shit about the bitcoind they run, probably made their own changes immediately.
mircea_popescu: which is by now becoming a major problem in waiting, because under the hollow pretense of the power rangers, the codebase is actually fractured to all shit.
mircea_popescu has serious trouble thinking people have actually used the stock braindamage for more than a few month before branching it off
asciilifeform bored, wanders off to pet pet
mircea_popescu: even if it's the void set, still step 0.
mod6: then once we have our baseline... something that can be used, and we can feel pretty good about with not years worth of testing, then we start to implement these major changes. then we see the UI go away from core, the rpc commands, etc.
mircea_popescu: oh he has a point. step 0 : merge the stuff that's acxtually useful in.
mod6: we add patches from stuff up to 6.3
mircea_popescu: i'm the first to say that the only practicable way to run this is as a two machine, serial connected thing, so that's not changing.
mod6: see, im of the opinion that we don't cut out anything. first we add.
asciilifeform: first - the skin warts. then the tumours.
mircea_popescu: that means the json crap stays for now doesn't it ?
mod6: you have some great ideas about changes that need to be made. and I really do think we'll get to doing them. bitcoin will be better for it.
asciilifeform: from the start
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform how about this for a principle : step 1, take all the stuff that can be taken out without therefore forcing different stuff being put in ; step 2 take out the stuff that needs replacement, sorted by the complexity of the needed replacement, ascending.
asciilifeform: (not the ecdsa calls - well, them too, ought to be redone - but the https idiocy. needs to go.)
mod6: who knows what effects can be seen.... and sure, i could spend 3 months with gdb just trying to chase stuff down. this is going to be a methodical process of eradication.
mod6: and it's a great example. but it makes me nervous. cutting out stuff like that in something as poorly written as this is just ... frightning.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well the discussion is if the json-rpc part is in the obvious crud or in the eventual crud group
asciilifeform: doesn't get any smaller or simpler than scuttling the obvious crud.
mircea_popescu: they're much less apt than they pretend to be. but that aside : ineptitude of the enemy is no excuse to derp.
mod6: understood. i worry about these jokers.
mircea_popescu: mod6 it's not happening, at all. but that notwithstanding, you do have a solid point, as a general thing. and 8 weeks is certainly narrower a frame than anything usgavin&co can do.
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> prolly a better idea to keep things sane and incrementally improve ? << this is the way it must be done. even though slash and burn feels so damn good.
mod6: that's plausibly only 8 weeks out. and we'd better have something to run by then. i don't wanna be chasing crazy changes down when we could have just gotten something simple running first.
mircea_popescu: prolly a better idea to keep things sane and incrementally improve ?
mircea_popescu: no but seriously, and somewhat from experience : while the serial thing is a solid design, i suspect it's also a bridge too far
mod6: eh, yeah, these things are all great ideas. and necessary. but i think the best course of action is to get something up and working as a baseline with the most minimal changes possible so we have something to run when derpistan puts in the hardfork
mircea_popescu: that's how troubles start.
asciilifeform just wanted a goddamned book he could take to the forest and go Hmmm with
mod6: and noone wants that