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mircea_popescu: "Turns out, the post is complete junk. It's about as thoughtful and informative as the Nigerian 411 scam. Let's analyze the post, top-to-bottom."
cazalla: pete_dushenski, "Yes, dear People Of The World, you belong to your family, your faith, and your traditions, not your “nation.” Where else does this exist than perhaps countries such as Japan? Families have been destroyed, faith abandoned, very little tradition left. What's left but nationalism? (I started to fall into this trap).
mircea_popescu: Brendon has since resigned on his own accord after realizing from countless emails of concerned readers that this was seen as an “attempt to grab money via guilt”. While this was not his intention he has since realized that it could be seen that way by many readers and independently felt he needed to go back and better hone his skills at this time.
mircea_popescu: well i imagine asciilifeform's theory is that snowden is kosher while i gave manning as an example of not.
usagi: And it's likely as a result of the continuous name dropping in this channel despite me not being here for 9 months.
BingoBoingo: A lot of it was from things you've said as well, I mean forum posts channel logs (here and -otc)
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu> nothing's changed since 2011 but the knowledge gap. much deeper nao. << Probably the reading comprehension gap as well
cazalla: ccn had a scammy investment club of which altcoins they were gonna pump and even went as far as publishing an article apologins for all the spammy shit they post
cazalla: ccn is one of the spammiest blogs out there, it improved a little over the past year but it's just as bad as coindesk
BingoBoingo: Also that coinfire thing seems to have slowed to a trickle since their lulzy blowup over really needing money but being too obsessed with their "image" as they imagine it to explore how to actually get money http://coinfire.cf/2014/08/12/opinion-motivation/
gribble: Nick 'pete_dushenski', with hostmask 'pete_dushenski!~pete_dush@unaffiliated/pete-dushenski/x-8158685', is identified as user 'pete_dushenski', with GPG key id 165749929F9A6BDD, key fingerprint E6625CC14638C4CA404694E9165749929F9A6BDD, and bitcoin address None
usagi: The government has as much to do with bitcoin as it does with you believing in the whole bible
usagi: So the party line does not apply as far as I know. If you have different information I would love to hear it
BingoBoingo_: mircea_popescu never got off a plane without anything identifiable to customs as money to support himself?
BingoBoingo_: I don't run a fund, I play with MP's money and he repackages it as part of his fund.
usagi: LIke I said bingo. The difference between you and me as a fund manager is that I have lived through 3 exchange closures and you suck up to the crowd here
usagi: The deal with TU.SILVER is the same as with BMF. It never wanted to close, but it did because the exchange folded. In TU.SILVER's case, we were a depository. So there are still a few customers who have not requested their silver
mircea_popescu: that's an infinity of orders of magnitude better, or as many as you can count. flaws in bitcoin my left foot.
ben_vulpes: i want to make an api as well!
midnightmagic: we need more of those that can act as full nodes minus mining
mircea_popescu: definitely useful as a counterweight to hearn & co.
decimation: right, so it's a parachute as well
ThickAsThieves: "There’s Bitcoin and that’s it, because there can only be one. All the rest of the crap exists only inasmuch as a) it stays theoretical or b) it stays small enough nobody cares. Where a) and b) are only distinct in the derp point of view, otherwise they’re the same thing."
X-Rob: decimation: A lot, but, I happen to have a power generation station as a customer, and I have a couple of racks in their computer room that I get for free.
X-Rob: It's just not as MUCH of a suckers bet as mining btc
X-Rob: mircea_popescu:1xrobauEmhLwVnTmLbs6M92n1xGFAFbgq is my address, and you're comitting to pay to that address .22BTC per week for 9 weeks, for a total of 1.98BTC. First payment will be within 24 hours, and then every 7 days after that. If you miss a payment, the deal is void, and I'll feel really annoyed, as I'm leasing below cost now, to average the price.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves http://trilema.com/2014/the-woes-of-altcoin-or-why-there-is-no-such-thing-as-cryptocurrencies/ this is for you.
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=NORP | NORP. Acronym for "Normal Ordinary Respectable Person." Used as a pejorative by those who consider themselves part of the counterculture. "This party ...
mircea_popescu: that thing looks shaky as fuck.
mircea_popescu: the thing with it is that it's a minor liability, when compared to major liabilities such as banking pseudobux.
TheNewDeal: they're avoiding tax with the sale though as well
RagnarDanneskjol: diginork - beware, those orders might go through anytime - and never leave those pending orders with them - they resume trading as soon as their books level off, just keep refreshing if you must use them
X-Rob: Anyway, that code I pasted is AGPL3, but I'm thinking I may re-publish it as MIT or something, as it's hard for people to do GPG correctly without knowing a pile of behind the scenes stuff
gribble: CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick. Nick 'X-Rob', with hostmask 'X-Rob!sid14615@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ofnkmqlfshhqtblr', is identified as user 'xrobau', with GPG key id None, key fingerprint None, and bitcoin address 1F1pPNy6X86rUSKLqZAdsa7dSMoRy4KobG
mircea_popescu: oh so you're not logged as x-rob ?
X-Rob: s/as/are/
X-Rob: There /are/ reasons for it being stupid - and the reasons as ALWAYS 'backwards compatibility'.
mircea_popescu: gpg started life as exactly this.
gribble: CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick. Nick 'X-Rob', with hostmask 'X-Rob!sid14615@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ofnkmqlfshhqtblr', is identified as user 'xrobau', with GPG key id None, key fingerprint None, and bitcoin address 1F1pPNy6X86rUSKLqZAdsa7dSMoRy4KobG
punkman: "Whereas Socialism, and even capitalism in a more grudging way, have said to people "I offer you a good time," Hitler has said to them “I offer you struggle, danger and death,” and flings itself at his feet. Perhaps later on they will get sick of it and change their minds, as at the end of the last war."
kdomanski: outlet as in power outlet? that helped?
RagnarDanneskjol: i know these guys host/build stratum pools as described: http://www.livechains.net/
mircea_popescu: MolokoDeck actually i like the model whereby the actual string to certify is hashed as a privkey then made into a bitcoin address then have a little something sent there
asciilifeform: i wouldn't imagine the 'sworn monks' can keep the lid on indefinitely - only thus far. as we've seen, they succeed in keeping the lid on 'suite a' & co. is the argument, then, that the pressure under the lid cannot be too high then ?
mircea_popescu: now, in usual high fiction this is resolved as a bizarre order of sworn monks and so on
mircea_popescu: but if they are not in power absolutely, what keeps central government from investigating this vault as a possible alien landing site ?
asciilifeform: 'in power' in as much as anyone guarding something of value can be thought of as 'in power.'
mircea_popescu: what keeps central government from investigating this vault as a possible alien landing site ?
mircea_popescu: we are already accepting your hypothesis, im asking you q's as if your h was reality.
mircea_popescu: if you take "meaning" as a rough equivalent for entalpy, your thing is too meaningful to exist.
asciilifeform: this is known as a 'garden of eden state'
mircea_popescu: while in principle any configuration is as possible as any other, the configuration you propose is mod2. ie, if the cell index is odd, cell is dead, if not, alive.
asciilifeform: 'lizard king' perhaps should be understood as 'set of remaining competent commanders'
asciilifeform regards hypothesis 'there is no good stuff' as unproven
mircea_popescu: you're trying to sell this conceptual model where in alt-nazi germany one can be hung for being a jew ONLY IF working as a clerk.
asciilifeform: enlist a tranny << slightly different dynamic there. any street scum can enlist as a private
gribble: Nick 'railzand', with hostmask 'railzand!sid39942@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mjuerwktzpwyvmkj', is identified as user 'railzand', with GPG key id 449DCE0C3F3952EA, key fingerprint 1CFAF95FA34862FCD62A33A3449DCE0C3F3952EA, and bitcoin address None
diana_coman: mircea_popescu ahh, now I remember something from the logs, I had rather skipped it though so far as not-on-my-list
Chris_Sabian: ThickAsThieves started it as a CoinGen bitcoin clone in late january 2014. people have been mining since then. they are worth about 200 satoshi
BingoBoingo: Haven't mined it yet but I'll point a trickle there to see if they report anything... Once I make an account as I am nao
mircea_popescu: "It looked like a pile of numbered cubes as it bobbed gently and flew over the landscape and under the sea. It was Boxy and it had not a worry in the world nor in his head, for his head had holes shaped like one, two, three… But it had no purpose either and so it was in search of a purpose that he explored the whole land of Eulora – a land that was just learning to be."
assbot: The woes of Altcoin, or why there is no such thing as “cryptocurrencies” pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/the-woes-of-altcoin-or-why-there-is-no-such-thing-as-cryptocurrencies/#comment-105428 << why are people so mean to me ;/
mircea_popescu: it's almost as if argentines think alfajores are mana.
ben_vulpes: <pete_dushenski> ;;later tell jgarzik you gotta be fucking kidding me with this shit (https://twitter.com/jgarzik/status/500224384536412160). who the fuck are you fooling with this malicious derpage? << this "usable lib" shit is hysterical. look - if you need to use GPG programatically, shell the fuck out to it from whatever you're doing. specify a sane homedir or even better run your application as its own user so it gets its own
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: as if i knew.
penguirker: New blog post: http://trilema.com/2014/the-woes-of-altcoin-or-why-there-is-no-such-thing-as-cryptocurrencies/
pete_dushenski: "as long as i have my keyboard, i have my freedom and justice will prevail"
pete_dushenski: "as a man stewed in the secular religion of science, let me share with you its inner workings"
mircea_popescu: "as a derp bathing in the lake, i find it interesting to pretend like the lake fauna is pretending to be the whole world. anthropologically!"
pete_dushenski: As an outsider, it is (anthropologically) interesting to watch a bunch of (predominantly) white (predominantly) Americans (and Canadians) purport to claim that an interesting payment protocol will solve world peace, governmental overreach, and all the other ills of modernity. << as an insider, i find his use of brackets (fucktarded)
nubbins`: [03:11:08] benkay is now known as thickasthieves
mircea_popescu: <ben_vulpes> hey that's enough to keep a guy afloat in bsas for a few months at least << the theory that doge is worth dollars, as in over 1, is still lulzy.
asciilifeform: there are at least as many ways for bad ui as for bad food
decimation: it seems to me that the cli for signing subkeys is less straightforward than it could be as well
usg_press_machin: Ha! Not necessarily a better one. But as BingoBoingo pointed out, USG shillery always better in person
mircea_popescu: the salem trials is the convenient case study here. you can decry them as "incipient government establishing itself the way government establiushes itself all time, all places : through murder". but just as well... people kill, and some killers are persuasive.
mircea_popescu: as distasteful as that reality may be.
mircea_popescu: the state as a voluntary association, all they who choose and wish to pay taxe sand obeys the law is what we have here already.
mircea_popescu: well, inasmuch as someone';s breaking the law and not paying taxes, yes. that'd be the definition of a rebellion.
mircea_popescu: and as to "never ever" : pre nurenberg, this trying of a foreign power's officers and ministers had also never ever happened.
mircea_popescu: "A proper approach to key management. This could be anything from centralized key management as in Apple's iMessage -- which would still be better than nothing -- to a decentralized (but still usable) approach like the one offered by Signal or OTR. Whatever the solution, in order to achieve mass deployment, keys need to be made much more manageable or else submerged from the user altogether."
ben_vulpes: now if !s stuff defaulted to ignoring bots as well...
mircea_popescu: as if you know, plaintext mail isn't end to end encrypted. why not ? i do it all the time.
mircea_popescu: i mean i get it, some people can't. which is fine. but don't go around claiming impotence as a virtue.
mircea_popescu: there is definitely something wrong if trying to present that as anything but fucking weird.
usg_press_machin: Thanks mircea. Re WoT was just joshing around. Re: brain wallets etc., the point is that Bitcoin is as much a product of its users as it is the blockchain.
decimation: asciilifeform: re: tax-farming :: in Maryland there is such a thing as 'ground rent' - 'landlord' can sell land from under your house if you don't pay
mircea_popescu: it's not just preston byrne or this or that derp. it's about a hundred of them by now, and as the old saying goes : the problem with this world is that while smart people are hesitant, government shills are full of words.
mircea_popescu: funny that it goes the same way as btc this thing.
mircea_popescu: there's a reason the traditional "taxi mafia" is prevalent all over the world. that technology may force the government to release its extractive grip of said mafia tho... this is dubious. works for as long as people have the upper tech side, but this pendulum swings.
justusranvier: If you're going to speak about credit though, as far as I know I was the first person to suggest ising GPG-signed ratings for Bitcoin trading.
theodred: as I said.. it usually works. anyways, how goes it?
asciilifeform: (what's a tax farmer? read about why antoine lavoisier, better known as a great chemist, lost his head.)
mircea_popescu: the latter's too ugly, or as the kids today say, has no smv.
mircea_popescu: of course they also made financial speculation liable in excess of sanity, which didn't work out for them on a macro scale, but the point remains : there's no good reason to exploit the concept of limited liability as a sort of exclusive monogamous relationship with the company.
wywialm: this probably serves as a partial answer to my question to MP
wywialm: ben_vulpes: from S.WOL Listing Agreement "4.2. The liability of any person or entity party to this contract, either direct, indirect, incidental, tortious, punitive, exemplary or otherwise shall in no case exceed such sums as may be proven that person or entity has in fact received through the working of this contract. Signatories and investors agree to indemnify and hold harmless any
wywialm: if anyone else has some ideas re limited liability as well, please let me know
wywialm: ;;later tell mircea_popescu re:La Serenissima and personal sovereignty. What about limited liability as a concept? To the dustbin, may stay as it is (how?), or only in the form of limited partnership with at least one partner assuming unlimited liability?