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Naphex: thestringpuller:
title should be enough :)
chetty: very good reason not
to use banks, imo
bounce: <mircea_popescu> " regulatory oversight maybe at
the national and international level, just
to make sure
that we don?t do something very foolish" << in a sense
this is an open invitation for some agency or institute or whatnot
to step up. "bring it before us and we'll pass judgement", with suitable PR
to suitably spin it up and answer
the inevitable "you and what army?" questions.
mircea_popescu: <undata> but
to what end,
then? << you seen miller's crossing ?
undata: it must just be what
things look like when
they're unraveling.
undata: it's
the pointlessness of america, not
the brutality,
that gets me
undata: but
to what end,
then?
undata: our system just bloats like
that, needs
to create new bureaus and buy
them fancy
tanks and drones
undata: but I don't
think
that
undata: if I were conspiracy minded, I'd say
they're preparing for
that now with
the militarization of police, etc
undata: I can't see
the next 20 years going well for most people here.
mircea_popescu: well, like sex is no longer fashionable so
the girl will claim she was "raped", just so
the visit by
two state employees
to confiscate some contraband is called a "raid"
undata: I notice "raids" are now a primary way of doing
things
mircea_popescu: undata obama finished
the reorganisation of everthing law enforcement as a homeland security sub.
undata: they're going
to find out later
that
the US had a lead pipes situation
BingoBoingo: Just needs
to be worn backwards in
torture device configuration
BingoBoingo: I was actually wondering what
the market would be for silk
thongs with
the butt
thread made of authentic Obama
tis
BingoBoingo: Copyrastas,
the panties broke
trademark law or were counterfeit or something
BingoBoingo: At least until
the datacenters running bitcoin nodes become nuclear powers.
BingoBoingo: I suppose
that is also a concern. Maybe
the current practice for
the warrant canary lacks room for improvement.
mircea_popescu: so
the person in question can be charged with conspiracy "?
BingoBoingo: I guess. I'm just
trying
to
think of a verifiable deed sort of version
that could be concealed from
the warrant industry until
triggered
mircea_popescu: once it disappears, irrespective of what
the usg propaganda machine claims, it's happened.
BingoBoingo: Sign a message asserting
that passing
the balance between
the
two addresses fuctions as your warrant canary and GPG crypt
the message
to a few
trusted parties
that can release
the signed doc if
the behavior consituting
the canary ceases
mircea_popescu: the law can not compel one
to lie, and so as long as
that statement appears, it's not happened
mircea_popescu: no,
the way
these
things work is
the company has a firm negative statement published. "we have not been approached
to so and so".
BingoBoingo: A better system would simply involve passing a BTC balance between
two addresses under one's control at set intervals
BingoBoingo: It's definitely far from a robust system, especially considering a MITM could force delivery of
the pre-canary image
mircea_popescu: for something
to be a canary it has
to be a passive, unavoidable mechanism.
BingoBoingo: The canary isn't a guarantee
they haven't been approached, but it's being
triggered should seem
to be a guarentee
they have.
BingoBoingo: Why, because
they aren't Apple who has
the press gloss over "The canary died because it became unecessary, not because a warrant came
to kill it"
mircea_popescu: but
they'd be legally forbidden from stopping hitting
that button.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I would figure
that
to keep
the server from displaying
the comic sans image someone has
to keep hitting
the "We haven't been served yet" button.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i fail
to get how
this is supposed
to be a canary.
mircea_popescu: magic numbers are all equal. if 99.999999% of bitcoin were destroyed as you describe,
the remainder coupla hundred btc will play
the role of
twenty million
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu:
The header
text on
the libressl.org page is part of
the jpg with
the pufferfish. If
the warrant canary
triggers
the header
text becomes comic sans is my reading of it.
mircea_popescu: <TheNewDeal> perhaps, or it's not worth anything
to anyone any more <<
that's pure nonsense.
undata: where
the US govt subsidized people buying new cars, as long as
they gave
their old cars in
to be destroyed
undata: TheNewDeal: for some reason
that reminded me of cash for clunkers
TheNewDeal: perhaps, or it's not worth anything
to anyone any more
BingoBoingo: Also why were people keeping
those wallets on Windows 98?
TheNewDeal: If it were 99% of
the original bitcoin, what would it say about
the remaining 1%?
BingoBoingo: Well,
the remaining Bitcoins on version 1.0 increase in value and people wonder when Dr. Evil is going
to dump
those BTC he raised under
the influence of ether
TheNewDeal: It would mean
that
there were at least some people who decided it was worth getting rid of
their bitcoin
to check out bitcoin 2.0
TheNewDeal: suddently, 20% of bitcoin disappears overnight
to said address
TheNewDeal: the only way
to fund it was
to destroy bitcoin in
the process
undata: uh, create
two worthless
things...
BingoBoingo: <TheNewDeal> well it's like
this, you know at least some finite amount of worth was destroyed
to generate new pile of shitcoin << Spz Dr. Evil burned all of
the coins on Bitstamp
to "fund" an altchain. What would
that do?
mircea_popescu: <decimation> at least,
that's my understanding, would like
to know if it's incorrect. <<
there's other ways
to verify
too, but
this one definitely works.
mircea_popescu: <PeterL> are you familiar with
the deedbot? << exactly.
TheNewDeal: well it's like
this, you know at least some finite amount of worth was destroyed
to generate new pile of shitcoin
mircea_popescu: but if you're
trying
to prevent
the asshole from getting resources, why even consider
the matter, just ignore it.
mircea_popescu: but you gotta decide which line you're going. inasmuch as it keeps
the asshole from getting resources, yes it's better
than giving him bitcoin.
TheNewDeal: at least
then
the assholes wouldnt be able
to use
the bitcoins
that funded ether
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal well, would you say
that
the best way
to help your poor neighbour is
to burn some soup ?
mircea_popescu: <TheNewDeal> do you
think
that's
true? << no, it's stupid.
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undata: the payment for
the asset in
the deed?
undata: right, what's spent
to
that address
decimation: at least,
that's my understanding, would like
to know if it's incorrect.
decimation: so in your blob you put
the chronological list of hashes for all deeds - user will be able
to confirm
that
this blob was indeed put into
the blockchain by deedbot
decimation: well,
the public key (address) can be derived from
the private key
decimation: so if I'm reading
that correctly,
the list of sha256 hashes of all
the deeds would allow one
to 'detect deeds'
assbot: Logged on 26-10-2014 20:32:15; punkman: deeds are sha256 hashed, hash is b58encoded, b58encoded hashes of all deeds are joined with ",",
that string is sha256'd again and
that's
the private key
undata: decimation: you'd need something
that indicates "this is a deed" and also has a magnet link for
the whole signed message
decimation: so either: mirror deedbot or embed your magnet links
to deedbot's signed blob
decimation: magnet links would solve
the distribution problem but not
the attribution problem
decimation: but obviously
that's an expensive proposition
TheNewDeal: it's basically a blockchain parser
that just filters for deeds, no?
undata: the whole b64 at
the bottom is?
undata: decimation:
that's what bugs me about a lot of
these services
undata: the original pondering was "how
to
turn
the blockchain into a giant
torrent site"
undata: turn
the
thing into a hash db with references
undata: which could reference other
transactions which are other magnet links
undata: I'm
thinking you could implement something like a database index which is
the distributed content of a given magnet link
PeterL: yes,
that is
the point of it
decimation: yeah doesn't deedbot write
to
the blockchain?
PeterL: are you familiar with
the deedbot?
decimation: Yeah you would have
to have some method of referencing
the blob