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mircea_popescu: just, a medieval institution, arguably inadequate for modern
times.
mircea_popescu: mentally compare
the difference between an estate owned by nobody and commons
mircea_popescu: of course, us shitshow would reject
this, but it's a perfectly valid approach.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform actually, satoshi was smart here. an anon holding copyright means
that nobody else can claim it, and it can never be enforced.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well, we can't.
to remove
them
they'd have
to at first somehow been included.
PeterL: when
the bitcoin foundation was announced I figured I would just ignore it, I have not found a reason
to change yet
jurov: The Bitcoin Foundation is an ineffectual consortium of self-interest, operating under
the guise of benevolent advocacy.
They need an enema.
mircea_popescu: lol look at
that, reddit asks for bitcoin foundation
to remove satoshi from its rolls,
the fucktards react by removing satoshi from
the bitcoin code
they're raping.
jurov: nothing stops anyone from creating
their own bundles completely,
to prevent it would need deedbot
to have own key
mike_c: punkman, did you write up a doc on
the bot or release some code? could be useful
to get eyes on it.
jurov: no
there are only deeds
mike_c: *.b-a is down atm, is
that where
the bot description is hosted?
jurov: and you can't make it by adding new deed in
the middle even now
punkman: why, I can't put my deedN+1 before
terminator?
mike_c: because
there would be a
terminator in
the middle.
mike_c: yeah, a
terminating sequence of bytes.
then it can't be validly extended.
punkman: I've also
thought of signing
the "lite" bundles
mike_c: seems simple solution
to put a
terminator on bundle.
punkman: yeah you gotta check it came from bot's address, verifier will do
this
punkman: as in,
take bundle, add another deed and make new bundle?
jurov: nothing more and it can be resolved by checking of whether
the
tx originated from deedbot's piggy
punkman: jurov, what's
this "secretly extend bundle" attack
jurov: only benefit is possiblity
to (pruportedly) multiple versions of one bundle with perviously unknowns deeds
to appear
PeterL: I don't see any benefit
the attacker would have over just submitting a deed
to deedbot?
jurov: cue my donation
to b-a
jurov: everyone has
their moments
jurov: just makes it easier
to fool someone as what was actually included
PeterL: the
timestamp is based on
the blockchain
transaction, if
they put another deed
transaction on
the blockchain it does not hurt
the first one?
jurov: no real problem likely, just
the obnoxiousness
PeterL: jurov so what if
they add another deed, what would be
the problem?
mircea_popescu: jurov yes, but i myself can also
take it away, and have, and will, if
the person's obnoxious.
jurov: and it can be easily solved by
terminating
the list of deed hashes prior
to final hashing
jurov: it can be detected by fact
that
the payment did not go from deedbot's address but i still dislike
this
jurov: and
then make a fuss about it?
jurov: punkman what if i secretly extend
the bundle and make a payment
to new addy
TomServo: dignork: Just saw
those, cool stuff. Might have
to get one so I can resist
the urge stepping up
to one of
these USRP beasts.
dignork: And apparently it should work out of
the box with pentoo
jurov: that's
the question.
jurov: it allows
to add data in
the end and update hash .. but not sure it can ve exploited here somehow
jurov: punkman: deeds are sha256 hashed, hash is b58encoded, b58encoded hashes of all deeds are joined with ",",
that string is sha256'd again and
that's
the private key << ever heard of hash extension attack?
TomServo: dignork:
Those look great for cheap quick exposure.. but I might like
to support
this hackrf
thing just due
to cool factor.
jurov: i just heard some
TV gizmos are good for playing
TomServo: Can anyone recommend a good SDR
to play with?
TomServo: Cool paper, been meaning
to do some reading on
this.
mats_cd03: dunno how i missed
this in 2011, ive been following
travis goodspeed for as long
jurov: or
they'd have
to make me a golden
toilet new ones
jurov: prolly i can be never classified
to work with usg sekrets
jurov: re:ebama
tent - my fkn hearing aids broadcast everything
to each other
thestringpuller: I wonder if
this huge push on sidechains is because
the power rangers realize
the blocksize ain't increasing anytime soon...
punkman: this Byron guy is still innovating, now he's making armor. "Our current generation armor has been successfully
tested up
to .50 APM2." yeah right
punkman: "David Byron kicked off all
this madness about undetectable guns when he was issued a patent in 1987. Congress even
tried
to ban
this as-of-yet unbuilt gun.
That didn't stop Byron from hooking up with investors and starting a company focused on making
this "plastic gun" a reality."
Naphex: then delivery it over several
types of interfaces
Naphex: a enterprise node, hook into
trusted bitcoin core nodes over P2p protocol. Index and cache
the data
Naphex: yeah so
the
thing is..
Mikayla: well a nailgun sounds like a horrific way
to die
thestringpuller: In 2012 someone had written an October future
that expired on Halloween.
That was interesting.
Mikayla: my conspiracy senses are
tingling
punkman: I don't mind
the infinite bullets, more
that
they can't hit anything
that's not a mook
chetty: so, its another Monday in October, any predictions? (yes
this goes with
the shotguns ...)
Mikayla: best I don't get into
trouble :P
Mikayla: shit, I am shit out narrow hallways
today
thestringpuller: if you have a narrow hallway and a group of combatants is coming down it, you can just unload blindly and you'll probably hit most of
them
chetty: <Mikayla> some movies
they have a little
too much ammo//some? a little
too much? ,hah movies guns never run out of bullets
thestringpuller: I'm pretty sure Milla Jovavich poops bullets at
this point.
Mikayla: some movies
they have a little
too much ammo
Mikayla: oh I
thought we meant
the movie
thestringpuller: I always ran out of ammo. Not as bad as Silent Hill
though, but
that was more survival/puzzle oriented
thestringpuller: Random:
The walking dead gave me nightmares, and I didn't even watch it.
Mikayla: Best I see it with my own eyes as opposed
to a Youtube video
Mikayla: It's never good
to believe every
thing you hear or see :)
Mikayla: What is
the
topic of
today?
punkman: I read "coinscrum" as "coinscrotum" for a second
there
punkman: "important
to emphasise
that investor assets are never held by Bullion Bitcoin in its own right: investors either hold allocated gold in
their own allocated gold account, or
they hold an identifiable amount of allocated gold bullion held on
their behalf, or
they hold an identifiable Bitcoin holding verifiable on
the Blockchain"
Naphex: punkman: well anyway, i had a calendar date
to recheck it in 6 months
Naphex: well unless
they want
to dev
the whole infrastructure
punkman: above article says some company wants
to use it for gold
trading
Naphex: well i was
the protocol is something
that i was looking for, with asset servers.
the cryptography its pretty simple
thestringpuller: How are
these guys not operating on a loss if
they started around
the new year?