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Adlai: they must have been using the algol-compatibility subset
bounce: rulemaking, the frontier
mircea_popescu: Over at reddit.com, we rewrote the site from Lisp to Python in the past week. It was pretty much done in one weekend. << lawl.
decimation: eh. every new bureaucrat knows that they can 'embrace and extend' new territory by trying to 'get there first'
mircea_popescu: yeah, not qualified to troll here. go learn moirse.
mircea_popescu: Adlai how come everyone's smart yet the concept of stupid exists ?
asciilifeform: (summary. aliens come, they have males, females, and ooloi. the latter run things and are really the only sentients. humans quickly discover that fucking in 3some with ooloi 'adapter' is the only really fun thing.)
Adlai: if there were only one gender, "gender" the concept wouldn't exist
gribble: Oankali - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oankali>; Octavia Butler's Xenogenesis Trilogy: An Introduction - Biology: <http://biology.kenyon.edu/slonc/books/butler1.html>; Imago: Book Three of the Xenogenesis Series (1989): <http://www.literatureandgenetics.org/viewwork.php?id=60>
decimation: how's that for symbol/number representation
decimation: most morse operators who have to send numbers use shortened versions
mircea_popescu: it's like if there were only one gender,
bounce: typical how you're both reverting to upper case. who said that had to be the only one available?
mircea_popescu: AND NOW WE'RE BACK TO THE ORIGINAL LISP DISCUNTSION.
asciilifeform dusts off telegraph key
mircea_popescu: anyone trying to divorce any of these gets to burn in hell.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform eh i don't even agree. fuck all this subtlety of amuk idiocy. a character, its encoding, the representation thereof and its numeric value are all THE SAME THING. forever.
decimation: I guess it's not worth worrying about until there's an uptake in deedbot usage
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: All of the letters, entire doctors full of letters.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo we probably should send them some letters too.
asciilifeform: 'A character and its encoding are different concepts. An encoding and its (external) representation are different concepts. An external representation and the numeric values of whatever unit it is made up of are different concepts. By conflating all four concepts into one, Unix has held text processing and computing in general back several decades. This is fairly ironic, since Unix started out as a text proce
assbot: Logged on 26-10-2014 20:32:15; punkman: deeds are sha256 hashed, hash is b58encoded, b58encoded hashes of all deeds are joined with ",", that string is sha256'd again and that's the private key
mircea_popescu: dude omg. not like he didn't say and get quoted x times.
decimation: okay, so each bundle has a hash, and the privkey of that bundle is the hash of the list of all past hashes
Adlai: asciilifeform: thx
mircea_popescu: decimation all submitted deeds during one hour go in the same bundle./
decimation: well, if the hash of the bundle is included in the bundle, how did the hash end up in the bundle?
Adlai is a little curious about this deed stuf
mircea_popescu: you only need to verify the bundle in question
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform bag of treasuries.
decimation: imagine a century from now, someone wants to verify a deed - he would need to transmit potentially millions of deed hashes
mircea_popescu: knapsacks grow faster than things to put in them!
decimation: well, I was thinking about undata's problem
asciilifeform: didn't we do this already
decimation: one would imagine that keeping the pile of all past deeds would become cumbersome
decimation: is there going to be a 'reset' of the state of his deed 'knapsack' over time?
asciilifeform: decimation: also 100 to 1 he's 'meow mix'
decimation: abe you were a murderous tyrant who birthed modern usg
Adlai: asciilifeform: we = same we that are emulating drum printers, here = our efforts to go beyond drum printers
Abelincoln: whats up this is abe lincoln talking from the dead yo
Adlai: what exactly are we trying to do here
decimation: you are stuck with 8 bits if you don't want to constantly guess at endianness
asciilifeform: nothing to do with readtables
decimation: Another reason why chars suck is the endian problem
asciilifeform: in my studies, i'm particularly interested in the 'suck' that no one even notices any more.
decimation: no one has the will/ability to make better software until hardware to use it rolls around
decimation: actually it's a tacit admission that computers suck
asciilifeform: it's as if we were still using teletype
asciilifeform: no way to cleanly define local glyphs
decimation: I think most folk use UTF8
decimation: someone should make a --cccp flag that enables ☭ as the BOM/EOM char for gpg
decimation: I think you had that rant a few months ago on that topic
cazalla: jurov, referring to kakobrekla's coinchimp image.. hey if it was good enough for people to say mailchimp was vaguely racist..
decimation: like, are they going to send it on a 5-bit teletype?
decimation: why would anyone think it would be a good idea to escape chars below 7 bits?
decimation: asciilifeform: is this because base64?
kakobrekla: better than mtgox, they say.
jurov: they forgot to mention they are amazing
jurov: We are MUCH safer than the other exchanges, each of which has spawned a huge list of horror stories from disgrunted customers.
jurov: That's just basic classical economics. Scammers don't last long in the Bitcoin ecosystem.
jurov: lol on their on "warning" page:
jurov: https://coinchimp.com/ so...it has come to this
asciilifeform: discussion of why jurov's turdatron is stuck using detached gpg signatures
assbot: Logged on 26-10-2014 21:44:02; asciilifeform: till we have a gpg that clearsigns without escape char mutilation - we got this.
PeterL: what control would the characters have?
bounce: more elegant to invent your own pgp control script complete with glyphs and have it accepted in the unicode standard
asciilifeform is not pleased that these are presently more widely supported than the complete ascii set. but it's a fact.
jurov: ^ was supposed to ACK
asciilifeform: we're still paying for the ill manners of ill-behaved 1970s 'glass tty' terminals.
jurov: oh that. only if tim berners lee used them for html instead of <>"'
asciilifeform would be pleasantly surprised to be proven wrong about this
jurov: how does a browser use them?
asciilifeform: better question, what -doesn't- lose them
asciilifeform: jurov: because they get silently snipped by a thousand tools ?
jurov: asciilifeform << our thread last night << now i wonder why nobody's reusing ascii control characters (C0)
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asciilifeform: ^ classic text
Adlai likes the order
Adlai must've had some tracking crap in his browser already
Adlai: here it is with all the tracking crap... https://sjobs.brassring.com/TGWebHost/jobdetails.aspx?jobId=1210409&JobReqLang=1&partnerid=25404&siteid=5602&Codes=TD103
punkman: maybe just an art thing
punkman: yeah, not sure if it will have space for sticker though
punkman: I got a coin in the works btw
asciilifeform: punkman: they could at least vaguely describe their process/tools << and you'll believe?
pete_dushenski: cazalla they were lost in the hosting changeover and have yet to reappear. they may still or they may not.
cazalla: pete_dushenski, where did the women go btw
pete_dushenski: anyways, i'll look in to it :)
asciilifeform: he can swear to his gods that he didn't make copies, but what kind of proof could possibly suffice as proof to a skeptic ?
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: 'the gears grind slowly but they grind infinitely fine.'
asciilifeform: physical coins << anyone who buys private keys, deserves to pay for the sin
kakobrekla: but they could at least vaguely describe their process/tools < we call the rand() function. twice.
asciilifeform will sign own code (cardano) with 'will die by this' seal. will not sign other folks' code, unless compensated to actually put in the time to play 'reverse underhanded c contest.' << not cheap
punkman: asciilifeform: cazalla: little to gain, plenty to lose << but they could at least vaguely describe their process/tools
cazalla: so really, it's more a question of why buy physical coins to begin with than getting to the point of asking how they generated the private keys used for the priv address inside the coin
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes it's a bit odd that the sidescroll shows up in firefox and safari but not opera. what're you using?
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: signing code << can be a hero for the motherland.
asciilifeform: jurov: i was not aware what various email clients do to text/plain <<<<< mircea_popescu << our thread last night.
asciilifeform: cazalla: little to gain, plenty to lose
asciilifeform: cazalla: same reason mircea_popescu won't post his neutered bitcoind source tree.
asciilifeform: cazalla: is there a genuine security reason for someone to refuse to disclose how they generate entropy << your crystal ball's answer is correct.