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Adlai: well yes,
that is a valid sense of
the word
Adlai: they've made some nice hardware
too
mircea_popescu: apple it's what yahoo has aspired at all
these years. if
they had any sense,
they wouldn't have hired melissa no clue,
they'd have hired jobs back
then
mircea_popescu: don't forget
that. apple isn't a
tech company, it's a media company.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> who in his right mind would consider 'apple', for instance, if microshit did not exist << i don't run a windows machine. for me ms might as well not exist. however, i did get apple powered
tablet
to check out
their game marketplace.
undata grumbles about a bunch of JS developers farting out
things like couchdb
decimation: asciilifeform: as in some ancient
turd?
undata: man,
this is
the generation of programmers
that
thinks nosql is a great idea
Adlai: do
they
teach lisp in any days,
these days?
Adlai: the GIL is good for limiting
the amount of
toes you can shoot off at once
decimation: asciilifeform: yeah I remember rejecting perl; finding pythong as
the best alternative
undata thinks random shuffling among
the
things people are capable of
mircea_popescu: undata well
they made
their own web.py class structure, back
then
undata: and added
type annotations
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski: hmm do comments not yield
trackbacks? << wut ?
undata: python would be if not advisable, forgivible if someone ripped
the classes out
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski:
this represents a 200% greater loss
than last year while revenue doubled. <<< yeah,
the
time
to short
the pos approaches.
bounce: next you'll be saying ruby is
the future
mircea_popescu: take yer javascript an' shove it. fucking ajax
things.
Adlai: sykopomp was satoshi
to my usgavin
undata: oop is shitty function dispatch paired with some implicit scope stapled
to your functions
bounce forgot who argued
that of
the four main
things in OOP only encapsulation was really important, but
things like (multiple) inheritance are just
that much shinier
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski: ;;later
tell DanielKrawisz Looking forward
to seeing you rationalize
this gem <<< i dunno, it's like
the guy went off
the deep end past coupla weeks.
Adlai: we got stuck on how
to implement a MOP for sheeple, and it hasn't seen enough use for people
to miss it... but it's a rather faithful
translation of MOPless CLOS
decimation: asciilifeform: I get
the feeling
that oop is sick at a metaphysical level
mircea_popescu: Adlai i still got
the impression it was discussed before. maybe im just confused, maybe assbot was down right
then, dunno.
Adlai: mircea_popescu: actually not in
the logs, unless anybody paid attention when i brought it up :)
decimation: oop is one of
those
things
that sounds great on paper, but when a group of programmers
try
to use it
they end up with unmaintainable spaghetti code
mircea_popescu: i guess a fairer evaluation is
to say oop got
the blessing of suck,
the way www did.
bounce: quite sure
that if
there wasn't OOP
they'd've
thought of something else
to write crap code in
bounce doesn't mind OOP.
there's some good ideas in
there, even if most practitioners didn't get it.
Adlai: the paper has nothing
to do with OOP, "object" could equally be replaced by "data"
undata: Adlai: I'd rather just have my
types over here, and functions over
there which use
them
Adlai: once upon a
time, "object" meant something other
than "instance of a class"
Adlai: undata: see
the object identity paper
mircea_popescu: "you have been raped. i understand
this can be frustrationg as
this is usually a sign
that you are in fact a slut."
undata: Adlai: when you intend
to, you simply specify something mutable
Adlai: undata: run forrest, run! break out of
those crutches!
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla: well, its not hard
to beat "hi you have incoming ddos, I understand
this can be frustrating as
this
type of attack is usually a sign
that your droplet has been compromised" <<< ahahaha wut ?
undata: I'm blessed
to be among perfect programmers.
decimation: asciilifeform: it's another symptom of
the 'protect
the programmer from himself' mentality
undata: decimation:
the immutability by default
thing is cool
decimation: it's kinda like c++ without
the libraries
jurov: ..Unix folks who are used
to seeing
the number _or_ a hacked-up crufty version of `ctime' output are
truly amazed by
this.
jurov: kakobrekla ponder
this bit of wisdom from naggum: it has been instructive
to see how people suddenly grasp
that a date is always read and written in ISO 8601 format although
the machine actually deals with it as a large integer...
undata: thestringpuller:
the only way I can
tolerate python is by considering it "functional" in
the weak sense
nubbins`: <asciilifeform> he can swear
to his gods
that he didn't make copies, but what kind of proof could possibly suffice as proof
to a skeptic ? <<< probably no more
than a few days of
torture
mircea_popescu: anyway,
that article is all about how arron s is great and wonderful.
thestringpuller: undata: it's unfortunate python gets a bad wrap
though, Djanga seems more stable
than say node.js
undata: dumb; at least
they knew
to stay away from Django
Adlai: it's
the fifty-year language, it
takes fifty years until
the HTTP client gets implemented
Adlai: a reddit infested with c.l.l
trolls would be interesting... i hope
they'd bring along
the markov chain idiocy spammers
too
mircea_popescu: "The Lisp newsgroup, comp.lang.lisp, was upset about
the switch
that
they’re currently planning
to write a competitor
to reddit in Lisp,
to show how right
they are or something." << never happened, of course.
decimation: if
true, it's probably
that
their lisp was retarded
Adlai: it's kinda sad
that going from CL
to Python is a step backwards in concurrency support
bounce: so what were
the motivation and benefits of doing
that?