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asciilifeform: (not sure if this is at play here)
asciilifeform: fucks up characters yo << recall also how various turdware mutilates quotation marks.
mircea_popescu: i think always trailing comma, but anyway, your 1st sha is off ?
nubbins`: so for a single deed, trailing comma or no?
mircea_popescu: so the more likely hypo is "osx fucks up characters yo!"
mircea_popescu: decimation i think he omitted the comma after.
asciilifeform: you all doing the 'sha(sha(...' by the neck until dead thing?
mircea_popescu: nubbins` ty!
mircea_popescu: nubbins`'s host kicked him off the internets because he has been posting base58 strings to irc.
mircea_popescu: gernika if you like to hang out with expats/foreign kids the palermos and perhaps ricoletta.
mircea_popescu: so we can verify you did in fact follow the instruction rather than honestly think you did.
mircea_popescu: you could list the private key you got.
nubbins`: following the instructions as provided does not result in the same private key
mircea_popescu: at least that has a stack trace, something.
mircea_popescu: "don't work" is the best error message, after... anything else.
assbot: Logged on 26-10-2014 20:32:15; punkman: deeds are sha256 hashed, hash is b58encoded, b58encoded hashes of all deeds are joined with ",", that string is sha256'd again and that's the private key
nubbins`: mircea_popescu yeah and there's something more to it than that, because instructions as given don't work
BingoBoingo: Or make all of the sleep REM
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo they could solve DREAMS dude.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: At least TempleOS is fun in a retro way. Future archaologist may imagine it was actually widely used by a large sect
TheNewDeal: I feel ya, I would like to learn as well. Seems like an incredibly useful tool
mircea_popescu: nubbins` you know it was listed like 5 times in da log ? most recently an hour ago ?
nubbins`: TheNewDeal i'm just trying to verify one of these things but it's hard if i don't know the process
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo if only he could be teamed up with templeos guy.
TheNewDeal: oop was getting trashed
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform to make omlet, you need to break eggs!
BingoBoingo: http://robrhinehart.com/?p=1152 << Oh, YCombinator guy who imagines he killed food pretends to do the same for water and sanitation
asciilifeform: decimation: nah, the scene where harrison's opponents contrieve to have his clock shipped from one town to another on a suspension-less oxcart
assbot: Logged on 28-10-2014 02:16:07; mircea_popescu: "you have been raped. i understand this can be frustrationg as this is usually a sign that you are in fact a slut."
mircea_popescu: this is beneficial tho, i had some good lolz reading the support tickets earlier in logs
asciilifeform: decimation: sats encountered more shock on the road << see also the famous film 'longitude'
TheNewDeal: before I can even think it
mircea_popescu: im just here eating cookies and giving him a hard time.
asciilifeform: point is, why tell tale if no one will believe.
mircea_popescu: punkman: asciilifeform: cazalla: little to gain, plenty to lose << but they could at least vaguely describe their process/tools << asciilifeform yes, nobody requires them to send sample units. something like "we're buying atmospheric noise off random.org folks" or "sixty free cs servers, and we suck the urand pool dry" or w/e.
decimation: sats encountered more shock on the road
decimation: I was listening to this podcast: http://www.theamphour.com/201-cheap-respins-and-a-time-machine-multiscience-mercenary-marketplace/ << the guy from the satellite company said he had to drive his small sats to the shake table
mircea_popescu: i knew mp would never pay on that berkshire bet.
kakobrekla: all 4 of them.
mircea_popescu: scam finally ran with the bitcoinz ?
asciilifeform seriously considered donating the box to 'smithsonian'
mircea_popescu: it's better than swimming in fresh curetage product
asciilifeform: i am swimming in 'solved problems' that i - in particular - cannot access the solutions to.
BingoBoingo: For a sufficiently exorbitant price I may be willing to serve as courier within CONUS.
asciilifeform: i know full well that it's a solved problem.
mircea_popescu: undertand, shipping is a solved problem. it just costs money, but it's not the case that consumer mail is all there is.
asciilifeform: as things are now, i expect that it will be brought to my 'peine forte et dure.'
mircea_popescu: so they will have to hire one.
asciilifeform: as in, verify that all the parts actually function.
asciilifeform: there are perhaps 20 people on planet qualified to test this machine.
Duffer1: no doubt, sorry i've only followed a few lines of the convo :P
asciilifeform: bonded courier will test box at my house prior to shipment? lol
mircea_popescu: Duffer1 he has a point tho, museums routinely pay exorbitant fees to move their fragile shoit around.
asciilifeform: this particular machine was, iirc, assembled from surviving parts of the DOAs.
Duffer1: asciilifeform it would have to be packed and handled like a ming vase >> bonded courier
asciilifeform: a serious museum curator - such as david s. - could finesse these issues, yes.
asciilifeform: also have to appreciate the hdd. if it croaks, an equivalent unit will not actually make the machine go. os can only be installed from tape. i own neither the tape deck nor the tape.
mircea_popescu: people can reconstruct tits and virginity. you telling me they can't remake a board edge ?
asciilifeform: the edges themselves. fiberglass pcb.
asciilifeform: if they snap - that's that
mircea_popescu: that should be fixable no ? the card edges
asciilifeform: the multitude of card edge connectors, mainly, are, plus the ancient hdd
asciilifeform: those aren't the problem
decimation: well, that's a good point, electrolytics and everything like that
mircea_popescu: i guess this is a point
asciilifeform: (most of the extant units are duds at this point)
asciilifeform: plus the only way the buyer can be sure that it functions, is to power it on where it stands now.
decimation: surely symbolics shipped these when they were new
asciilifeform: it would have to be packed and handled like a ming vase.
mircea_popescu: doesn't have to be exw
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you know such a thing as cpt/cip exists
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: ancient grandfather type
asciilifeform: wtf did the otc go ?
kakobrekla: just curious, not worthy of bothering the man.
Adlai: (it's not in the b-otc order book anymore)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: good question! answer: packing it in such a way as to guarantee safe shipping would be prohibitively expensive. the man i bought it from, david schmidt (last symbolics employee) refuses to ship his remaining stock, after a multitude of DOAs.
decimation: can be done, just a pain in the ass
mircea_popescu: go go teamsters union for btc!
decimation: in the us, with that weight class, one must deal with 'freight operators'
undata: it's like Elon Musk recently with AI. He's been calling that "potentially more dangerous than nukes"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform tbh i always wondered about the "shipping economically" part. surely 100lbs worth of various things have been shipped before, even in the us ?
undata: who fucking knows; it's like anything with humans. we'll do it, I know that for sure.
assbot: Logged on 26-09-2014 23:50:40; asciilifeform: ;;sell 1 "Symbolics 3620 Lisp Machine. Photos: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=51" at 3 btc must pick up in Washington, D.C. area, this item cannot be shipped economically.
undata: mats_cd03: probably going to need a biologist to get a reasonable response
assbot: Logged on 12-09-2014 19:19:30; asciilifeform: except - they aren't banning monsanto garbage. they're banning 'gmo.'
mircea_popescu: mats_cd03 as in, didn't understand taleb's point ? or as in what ?
mats_cd03: http://science.slashdot.org/story/14/10/27/1716243/black-swan-author-genetically-modified-organisms-risk-global-ruin << anybody else read this and think taleb is way off base?
mircea_popescu: cazalla: question if anyone can help - is there a genuine security reason for someone to refuse to disclose how they generate entropy for the private keys contained in their physical bitcoin coin products? << not really, no. other than "we don't have a clue how it's done but this is sekoority and so being mysterious is the next best thing"
Adlai looks in the otc book
asciilifeform: golden turd corp. - will build anything, yes.
mats_cd03: nvm paywalled, don't click that
kakobrekla: golden turd? downed pilot.
Adlai: although linux may have something to do with this
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform golden turd, remember ?
Adlai: the IBM thinkpad is good too, and still running like clockwork, 12 years later
decimation: eh, chinese just build to us specs generally
Adlai likes his lenovo thinkpad
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the chinese.
mircea_popescu: and they nearly went bankrupt with it.
Adlai: dunno, some of apple's earlier hardware was boy-nice too