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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there actually existed special allignment disks
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'The benefits of which one can’t evaluate, the drawbacks of which are certain.' >> obligatory >> http://www.antarctic-circle.org/Shackadvert2.jpg
asciilifeform: this happened, perhaps three or four times, to mine, same era; father took it each time to a greasemonkey in some illicit cellar; it would come back - wrapped in a filthy oilrag - aligned.
nubbins`: ;;later tell punkman plz to provide complete pseudocode for deeds
mircea_popescu: we took the unit on a sneakernet see what happens at everyone's house
asciilifeform: where do you think i stepped in it.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the frist time this happened, 5 inch drives, 11yo or so me & friends
asciilifeform: disk would read on given unit and only there.
asciilifeform: you still couldn't steal my monyz << reminds me of all the folks with misaligned heads on their floppy drives
nubbins`: "where's the keys?" "what?"
nubbins`: "best locks in the world"
mircea_popescu: because if i were to use it, and you did get my pw... you still couldn't steal my monyz ?
mircea_popescu: HOWEVER! it would seem to me this arrangement i got is actually stronger than youze
nubbins`: well i guess you just can't trust random web pages to generate your brainwallets ;D
mircea_popescu: no dragonfly here tho.
nubbins`: you may be interested to paste a passphrase and in your JS console, type $('#pass').val()
nubbins`: var hash = Crypto.SHA256($('#pass').val(), { asBytes: true });
nubbins`: mircea_popescu fwiw the function calc_hash() in your pasted JS is the one doing the lifting
asciilifeform: but, at least it promises never to substitute chair leg with sticker 'elephant' on it.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i may have said this in the past, but this is rather like my 'elephant procurement company' (gedankenexperiment)
mircea_popescu: yes, brainwallet.org thing
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal it's the dump of js as loaded on my system, because somehow it doesn't come to the same results as other people here.
TheNewDeal: thats what this is http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/braindamage.txt < ?
TheNewDeal: nonono, the js dump
TheNewDeal: what in the hell is that
asciilifeform never knew it was on the net, was actually about to w4r3z sc4n it & post, then found...
asciilifeform: unrelated: https://archive.org/details/HowToStartYourOwnCountry << a little riot of a book. no-bullshit guide to (failed) attempts at ab initio sovereignty. (i met the author in person, incidentally. fun fella.)
nubbins`: seems like punkbot is the iq tes
asciilifeform: brainwallet was known to be retarded for some time << brainwallet is a fully-automatic iq test.
nubbins`: anyway. does anyone know how the fuck deeds generates these brainwallet passphrases? :D
mircea_popescu: i guess it helps that i just wasn't using braindamage.org anyway
nubbins`: if your secret exponent is not 6b86b273ff34fce19d6b804eff5a3f5747ada4eaa22f1d49c01e52ddb7875b4b then something is borked
nubbins`: just put a single "1" in the passphrase
mike_c: this has gotta be a JS thing.
mircea_popescu: it can't be the case it can hash here but not there, my cpu
mircea_popescu: so im on the brainwallet orphan chain over here ?
mike_c: in the passphrase.. if you have any
mircea_popescu: lemme paste the js
mircea_popescu: this seems a novel sparkle tho
BingoBoingo: I thought brainwallet was known to be retarded for some time
mircea_popescu: maybe im putting it in the wrong hole.
mircea_popescu: let me take a ss just in case.
mircea_popescu: what the shit.
mircea_popescu: do you even know what the odds are ?!
mircea_popescu: fell on the exact bundle pw ?
mircea_popescu: nubbins` dude srsly you ended up with the magic salt
nubbins`: you entering BXZKQx2iLYyRpUCmdWCqJBvgUdvqWH4EE8TV1ns3pxLZ into "passphrase" textbox?
mircea_popescu: i seem to get 1EppwHWgqBVo9TdZmLWjpNMp7w5zyrKokB ?
nubbins`: if the deed ID is not a brainwallet passphrase, the laws of probability have broken down
nubbins`: no, i mean to tell you i put the deed ID into brainwallet.org and it spit out the associated public address
mircea_popescu: you mean to tell me you reverse-engineered the privkey on the basis of the address ?
nubbins`: since 149LB... is the public address indicated on the deed
mircea_popescu: explain to me like i'm a nubbin!
nubbins`: because that's the private key generated from brainwallet passphrase BXZKQx2iLYyRpUCmdWCqJBvgUdvqWH4EE8TV1ns3pxLZ
mircea_popescu: how do you know that ?
nubbins`: 2nd sha is not the privkey afaict
mircea_popescu: a ok, so 2nd sha is the privkey. import it nao ?
assbot: Logged on 26-10-2014 20:32:15; punkman: deeds are sha256 hashed, hash is b58encoded, b58encoded hashes of all deeds are joined with ",", that string is sha256'd again and that's the private key
mircea_popescu: nubbins` another 58 in there no ?
nubbins`: but i don't know how to get from the second shasum to that
mod6: i remember watching it on tv
nubbins`: mircea_popescu according to deeds.bitcoin-assets.com i'm supposed to end up with the brainwallet passphrase "BXZKQx2iLYyRpUCmdWCqJBvgUdvqWH4EE8TV1ns3pxLZ"
asciilifeform: 'Asked what had happened to the $8.8bn he replied: "I have no idea. I can't tell you whether or not the money went to the right things or didn't - nor do I actually think it's important."'
undata: in the movie, the CIA stole it and started ISIS with it
thestringpuller: Didn't a shipping container with 100 billion or so get lost in Iraq in the early 2000's as well?
mod6: yeah. i was like "holy shit! is this guy kidding?! how do you do that?!"
mircea_popescu: one trillion ?
mod6: so the day after the 'billennium', Sept. 9th 2001, I think that was the day that rummy was like "Oops, we somehow misplaced 1tn."
mircea_popescu: i had my first legal drink in... 1990 ? something like that.
thestringpuller: mod6: i actually had a leagal drink for the billinium <<< i was just growing pubes. now I don't feel quite so old.
mod6: *legal too :D
mod6: i actually had a leagal drink for the billinium
mod6: me too
asciilifeform: any more than 'lint' is.
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: what's an alternative to Valgrind?
asciilifeform: even something as pedestrian as 'valgrind' is laborious for a large turdatronic system.
asciilifeform would sign code, if some loony were to pay what the kind of labour that is involved in honestly signing 'will die by this' actually costs...
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: "there's no point getting in the wot, i have real world friends" << WoT isn't Facebook...*sigh*
asciilifeform: actually on second thought - better hypothesis for the physcoins - atavistic, Ur-fear of being pwned
mircea_popescu: which, incidentally, ima make a post about, cause this is starting to coallesce in my head.
mircea_popescu: and this is a cognate of "there's no point getting in the wot, i have real world friends"
asciilifeform: if i recall, that was, that none of these folks have much incentive to speak up re: process
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this is much weaker than your original statement tho
mircea_popescu: incidentally, it occurs to me that while some start-ups succeed, a vast majority suckceed.
asciilifeform: for physcoins - that's like measuring proton decay.
mircea_popescu: you can at the very least obtain the "most likely to fuckceed" information on a set of identifiable, different providers.
asciilifeform: how exactly can mr. physcoin prove that he did not use mersenne twister for N....N+k for some N?
mircea_popescu: not so. this is like saying "the only way to identify boys from girls is as you're moaning".
asciilifeform: let's rephase - the only information you will ever get re: being fucked, in the case of the physcoins, is being fucked.
mircea_popescu: the way to know how long your cock is is to ask god, because obviously measurement will yield an error.
mircea_popescu: business is not a matter of certain truth.
asciilifeform: namely, in the case of the physical coins, the only way to know whether you'll be fucked is - when you are.
asciilifeform: in this case - belief.
mircea_popescu: the wot, incidentally, works on exactly the same premise. one can make any declaration one wishes. it's not believed per se, but that's irrelevant. as time goes by confirmation either mouts or does not.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: punkman: they could at least vaguely describe their process/tools << and you'll believe? << for the record, description is not strictly a belief-driven phenomenon. consider at its most basic, schooling. teacher describes to you grammar. do you believe ? no, if you're in any way sane, not right off. but eventually what was a hypothesis gets tested out.
nubbins`: wait, no, there we go
mircea_popescu: http://www.xorbin.com/tools/sha256-hash-calculator << this agrees with me btw.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` see how much better life is here in the paradise of proper error messages ?
nubbins`: er yeah, i don't get the same shasum as you at all
mircea_popescu: i guess best practice, "1st check deed signature, then hash to verify deed".